I spent 22 years in a cult; ask me anything

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Why were you initially drawn to this cult?
It was the charismatic preaching of Garner Ted Armstrong on radio and tv. I became convinced, as a young and easily led religion-seeking teen, that this was the right group and that none of the others would come close to being “right”.
 
Did you ever meet Bobby Fisher?
LOL I had heard he was at one time a financial contributor to the church but was never a member. I’m sure he lived a long, long way from where I am in western Canada.
 
After I left the WCG I began attending other Protestant churches, becoming disillusioned with them all by around 2000. I researched a lot of faith groups after that and began my studies of the Orthodox about 6 years ago. This led to Roman Catholicism and I attended my first Mass about four years ago. I am not a member of any church but feel I have found a permanent home with the Mass, which I get to about twice a week.
 
How old were you when you entered?
I was 17 and had never attended a church before. It took many months to work up the courage to go somewhere like this by myself. The same is actually true of the Mass. It was two years after I had decided I wanted to go to one before I actually did. 🙂
 
I remember the monthly magazine and television series that still airs today although I think it’s under a new name.
There have been many changes and the original group would be unidentifiable to old Mr. Armstrong today. The magazine was called The Plain Truth, a name he took from a publication of Benjamin Franklin. The program was titled The World Tomorrow. A number of spin off groups, seeking to maintain the hard line approach to faith the old WCG had all use similar names in their publications and media.
 
Anyone in your family still member of that cult?
No, my family was quietly dismayed at my involvement with the WCG. My mom came to a couple of services one winter out of curiosity but that was the extent of it.
 
What makes something “cultic” in your view

The primary things to look for in a ‘cult’ as it has come to mean today are; a single charismatic leader who answers to no one; demands made on the congregation using manipulative and guilt inducing techniques; secrecy from the secular world; the expectation of absolute loyalty and obedience to whatever dictates come from said leader; unquestioning acquiescence to all doctrinal teaching; and of course, when money is demanded, pay up even if it means your family is starving.
 
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Hopefully my question is appropriate: how is your life affected, during the time you were with them, and now. Do you think that you will be able to heal completely?
All questions are appropriate, my friend. 🙂
The long term effects can be said to be a strong suspicion of all religious groups and their claims. Yet I remain Christian because I realize that the behavior of individuals cannot be blamed on God. The past few years within the Roman Catholic Church have not only shown me that everything I had been told about Catholics was not true, but that religions can and do accept blame and admit fault. This admission to fallibility was something seriously lacking in the hierarchy of the WCG.
 
“The way of give vs. the way of Get.”
Yup, that was one of the main catch phrases used by Armstrong in his latter years. It was actually a good foundation for preaching. Unfortunately it always led to less edifying rants.
 
WCG used to have huge conventions
Yes, there were annual conventions all over the world. This was the observance of the fall holy days found in the Old Testament, most notably the Feast of Tabernacles. We were expected to observe two tithes of our income. The first tenth went to the church, the second was to pay our way for the annual fall conference. Regular offerings were also expected, and we were told in no uncertain terms that these had to be above and beyond the first tithe. God would know, after all, if we were cheating him.
 
Any advise for someone with a family member in a cult?
Basically love them, love them, and love them some more no matter what. It was not until I had come to realize on my own that I had been involved with a supremely arrogant and manipulative church that I saw them for what they were. During my time there, especially in the early years, all attacks on the church or it’s leaders were deemed to be attacks on God and my hackles were raised, the defenses armed. There is no way to convince anyone of anything against their will, especially with regard to religion. If they are going to come around to a more reasonable view it has to come from within. God loves them the same and is well capable of seeing that events transpire to help open a closed mind. But it can never be forced. Just show them compassion and affection at every opportunity.

One thing that brought me to a gradual change of heart was seeing that my wife’s parents were very humble, loving, successful and non-judgmental. They were happy, yet they were not members of this “one true church”. Remember, St. Augustine’s mother prayed for his conversion for 31 years. Never cease in your prayers. 🙂
 
Now I’m having flashbacks to basic training.
LOL Oddly, Armstrong’s successor, Joseph Tkach Sr., was a former army man whose greatest hero was George S Patton. We heard Patton in his sermons many times and he became, and still is, one of my favorite figures of history. In fact, just yesterday I sent a friendly and complimentary letter to Father Larry Richards, calling him the George Patton of the Pulpit.
 
Happy for your sake you got out. Sorry to hear about your health consequences, and prayers/thoughts/best wishes.
 
The Grave of General Patton

If you find me here
In this foreign place,
Under this simple stone,
Know this,
I am one acquainted with duty.
I walked its appointed rounds,
Life by life, death by death,
From victory unto victory,
Through mud and muck and blood,
By their boots, not mine.
I outflanked the enemy
I owned him,
While ever advancing for the cause,
Making a good show of it for the papers,
And reveling in that moment,
Feeling a little less than a god,
But I lowered my hand on one coward’s face,
Then lowered my eyes to explain
This right decision
To explain this right action,
Then I stood still and stopped
Watching my hour of glory
Pass me by
Listening to the sound of other feet
Taking my rightful place
On the path of history
While far away my interrupted destiny
Came barreling down the street
To meet me
Appearing without warning
Declaring that the true moment had come
Which was neither right nor wrong
And me
In the surprise of that moment
Did not question
For I am one acquainted with duty.
 
What makes something “cultic” in your view

The primary things to look for in a ‘cult’ as it has come to mean today are; a single charismatic leader who answers to no one; demands made on the congregation using manipulative and guilt inducing techniques; secrecy from the secular world; the expectation of absolute loyalty and obedience to whatever dictates come from said leader; unquestioning acquiescence to all doctrinal teaching; and of course, when money is demanded, pay up even if it means your family is starving.
I am not asking sarcastically but genuinely want to know if you see Catholicism as having any of these qualifications in any way?
 
@CelticWarlord I’m amazed by your testimony…22 years in that cult, and God gently drawing you out and finally home to his Catholic Church! I know you haven’t come all the way home yet, but it seems your heart is sincerely open. You haven’t turned your back on God despite seeing people do abusive things in His name. That in itself is a wonderful testimony in this day and age, when people are so quick to dismiss God when they see that Christians are still sinners like everybody else. God bless you for that.

I read in the other thread about a couple of your reasons for not fully joining the Church yet and I can understand your hesitation. I’ll keep praying that the Holy Spirit continues to draw you and your wife closer to Him! 🙏

Note: I can’t help but chuckle a little at your poor family members…watching you go from that cult into the Catholic Church! I don’t know what denomination they are, but I wonder if they think you’ve gone from the frying pan into the fire! (At least, that’s what my old church thinks of me!)

ETA: I’m not sure why your @name didn’t highlight…
 
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I used to watch Armstrong on TV when I was teenager(40 yrs ago). Once I found out he believed that the citizens of England were the lost tribe of Israel I knew it was a cult.
 
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I remember the monthly magazine and television series that still airs today although I think it’s under a new name.
There have been many changes and the original group would be unidentifiable to old Mr. Armstrong today. The magazine was called The Plain Truth, a name he took from a publication of Benjamin Franklin. The program was titled The World Tomorrow. A number of spin off groups, seeking to maintain the hard line approach to faith the old WCG had all use similar names in their publications and media.
Yep, The Plain Truth and The World Tomorrow are the ones I remember. His son, Garner Ted Armstrong, had a weekday program on at the same time.
 
Do you miss that sense of belonging you may have found there?
Have you found it within the Catholic faith (like here also hopefully 🙂 )
 
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