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friardchips
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To Tis_Bearself: Precisely (the first paragraph; hence, the ‘like’).
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friardchips
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‘Not only do We earnestly exhort all Christians to give themselves to the recital of the pious devotion of the Rosary publicly, or privately in their own house and family, and that unceasingly, but we also desire that the whole of the month of October in this year should be consecrated to the Holy Queen of the Rosary.’
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BoomBoomMancini
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Yes, the pope encouraged people to pray the rosary often. Emphasizing “unceasingly” doesn’t somehow upgrade “exhort” to “direct.”
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BoomBoomMancini
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I just hope we’re not talking about me here, because I feel like I’ve been very careful to say that the rosary is a good and worthwhile practice, and that if people find it helpful to their prayer life they should absolutely do it.
I’m not sure why some people here insist on reading “optional” as “bad.” There’s also a weird undercurrent (not saying with you specifically) of “my spiritual practice should be everyone’s spiritual practice.”
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Which is a pity .My parents remember with great love celebrating many special days forOur Lady.
Tis_Bearself
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You’re correct that some people think their spiritual practice should be everybody’s spiritual practice, and this leads to problems.
You’re also correct that praying the Rosary is not mandatory.
Having said that, it is a hugely important devotion and is generally seen as the top private devotion, or if you consider LOTH a private devotion (as LOTH is really joining in the public prayer of the Church so it could be seen as public), then the Rosary is right up there with LOTH.
Mary is also hugely important and having somebody refer to most of her feast days as “optional” is not pleasant to hear. I personally think they should all be mandatory. But I don’t get to make the rules.
Anyway, I’m out…I have Rosaries to say
You’re also correct that praying the Rosary is not mandatory.
Having said that, it is a hugely important devotion and is generally seen as the top private devotion, or if you consider LOTH a private devotion (as LOTH is really joining in the public prayer of the Church so it could be seen as public), then the Rosary is right up there with LOTH.
Mary is also hugely important and having somebody refer to most of her feast days as “optional” is not pleasant to hear. I personally think they should all be mandatory. But I don’t get to make the rules.
Anyway, I’m out…I have Rosaries to say
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friardchips
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Certain feast days are obligatory to attend.
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friardchips
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unceasing
1. continuing and unlikely to stop or become less: 2. continuing and unlikely…
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'unceasing
adjective UK /ʌnˈsiː.sɪŋ/ US /ʌnˈsiː.sɪŋ/ formal
continuing and unlikely to stop or become less:’
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not ceasing or stopping; continuous:’
‘unceasingly’ presumably means the same as unceasing.
Back to topic: no, I don’t think it is a sin to fall asleep; that said, one could always pray a bit earlier so as to finish with reasonable likelihood.
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BoomBoomMancini
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Last word I’ll say on this: unceasing refers to the frequency that is being recommended, not the obligatory/non-obligatory nature of the recommendation. You keep falling back on language that doesn’t actually support your argument.
We’re just not going to agree on this so I’ll just wish you well and bow out.
We’re just not going to agree on this so I’ll just wish you well and bow out.
I am confused here.
Every Holy Day of Obligation is obligatory. Why would the church need to make a distinction?
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BoomBoomMancini
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I just saw this, sorry. I’d agree with “not obligatory but a good idea” with the caveat that it’s not the ONLY good practice out there, and if someone chooses to do something else, they’re not wrong and it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re spiritually lazy or irreverent.
I apologize if I got snarky with you. It just raises my hackles when it seems like people are elevating their individual practices into universal mandate. You see this a lot with things like communion on the tongue/in the hand or EF vs. OF.
I apologize if I got snarky with you. It just raises my hackles when it seems like people are elevating their individual practices into universal mandate. You see this a lot with things like communion on the tongue/in the hand or EF vs. OF.
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friardchips
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I confused things.
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I waa referring to the catechism quote from.friardchips, which refers to Marian feast days as one way in which we show our devotion to Our Lady. It is that quote which does not distinguidh between the obligatory and the non-obligatory.
I do wonder what those who are so intent on extolling the Rosary make of our devout Eastern Catholic brothers and sisters for whom it is not part of their spirirual tradition. Would you dare tell them to their faces that they are all spiritually bereft and that all their Marian devotions are inferior in the order of grace (as I think friardchips put it)?
I do wonder what those who are so intent on extolling the Rosary make of our devout Eastern Catholic brothers and sisters for whom it is not part of their spirirual tradition. Would you dare tell them to their faces that they are all spiritually bereft and that all their Marian devotions are inferior in the order of grace (as I think friardchips put it)?
Tis_Bearself
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LilyM, the Eastern Catholics have their own Marian devotions which in some cases surpass Western Catholicism, and we all know it.
This thread is not about Eastern Catholics in any event, so I can’t figure out why you’d drag them into it.
I’m going to mute this thread now because I think it has run its course, the OP has been answered, and I’m not interested in debating with somebody who wants to have contention over Marian devotions. I have enough negativity in my life without having to deal with that. Mother Mary, pray for us all. Goodbye.
This thread is not about Eastern Catholics in any event, so I can’t figure out why you’d drag them into it.
I’m going to mute this thread now because I think it has run its course, the OP has been answered, and I’m not interested in debating with somebody who wants to have contention over Marian devotions. I have enough negativity in my life without having to deal with that. Mother Mary, pray for us all. Goodbye.
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You may not see this if you’re muting the thread but for what it’s worth, I’m completely mystified as to what you’re responding to. You’re totally right that people shouldn’t be dismissive or disrespectful of the rosary or Marian devotion; I just can’t see where anyone is actually doing that. It’s like you’re responding to an argument no one is actually making.
I think you’re like a top 5 CAF poster and I agree with you 98% of the time, for the record. I think here you’re just reading a negative tone into some pretty innucuous stuff.
I think you’re like a top 5 CAF poster and I agree with you 98% of the time, for the record. I think here you’re just reading a negative tone into some pretty innucuous stuff.
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LilyM
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The thread is sbout someone who - possibly for good reaaon - is not keen on the Rosary.
And some posters seem to be piling on as if it is unthinkable and intolerable for the OP even to consider alternative Marian devotions in place of the Rosary.
And some posters seem to be piling on as if it is unthinkable and intolerable for the OP even to consider alternative Marian devotions in place of the Rosary.
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friardchips
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The OP is not someone who dislikes the Rosary. The OP fell asleep when praying and is worried that the action of falling asleep might incorporate sinful action. People have given their answers.
We have already said that the Rosary is not obligatory, according to official status, much earlier on in the day.
Much earlier in the day, we all also stated that it was probably not sinful. I am not God, I don’t know. But I would guess not.
It is a private devotion, according to the Church (as already stated).
It is a sacramental (as already stated).
Devotion to Our Lady, however, on an all-encompassing level, is essential and intrinsic, to which we are obliged to give our assent of faith.
I already stated that I pushed the ‘obligatory’ aspect.
The Roman Catholic Church’s (sacramental) Rosary devotion is on the level of the LOTH and so not to be undermined.
It is, however, justifiably considered obligatory to many.
If the OP has an issue falling asleep, then because of the importance of praying the Rosary, it could be considered sensible (as said earlier) to start praying earlier, as opposed to giving up the world’s most beautiful and important sacramental - yes, I can say this, as an act of faith (I am a Roman Catholic).
When I post, I also have the best intentions in mind, or at least try to have, most of the time, when posting, for the person.
We have already said that the Rosary is not obligatory, according to official status, much earlier on in the day.
Much earlier in the day, we all also stated that it was probably not sinful. I am not God, I don’t know. But I would guess not.
It is a private devotion, according to the Church (as already stated).
It is a sacramental (as already stated).
Devotion to Our Lady, however, on an all-encompassing level, is essential and intrinsic, to which we are obliged to give our assent of faith.
I already stated that I pushed the ‘obligatory’ aspect.
The Roman Catholic Church’s (sacramental) Rosary devotion is on the level of the LOTH and so not to be undermined.
It is, however, justifiably considered obligatory to many.
If the OP has an issue falling asleep, then because of the importance of praying the Rosary, it could be considered sensible (as said earlier) to start praying earlier, as opposed to giving up the world’s most beautiful and important sacramental - yes, I can say this, as an act of faith (I am a Roman Catholic).
When I post, I also have the best intentions in mind, or at least try to have, most of the time, when posting, for the person.
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