I struggle with Third Secret interpretation

[AlexShmatko]

I seem to have an issue with a Catholic interpretation of the Third Secret Of Fatima.

It says: “Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions.”

In 1943 the Lúcia wrote the secret down and sealed it in an envelope not to be opened until 1960. Newspapers reported that in 1959 in library Pope John XXIII had opened the envelope and read the secret which had made him pass out. As we know the Secret was revealed in 2000, 83 years after the first apparition of the Lady to the children. It is unclear why Vatican had kept it as a secret for such a long time. Why not release it right away?

Secondly, during the 20th century there wasn’t any city half in ruins, persecution of Christians, assassinations of Bishops and people of different ranks in Italy. The secret was officially interpreted by Catholic Church as a prophecy of Pope John Paul II assassination attempt. Frankly speaking, the assassination attempt that took place really seems like unimportant occasion to me as the Third Secret was supposed to be the most important one. I mean, it would be one thing if the attempt was iconic or something happened after that, but nothing has happened. I believe that there was a secret that they either feared or didn’t want to reveal.

I apologize for my English as this is my second language.

 

[TechieGuy]

My understanding is that there is no requirement to give any special credence to other people’s private revelations, no matter how famous they might be.

 

[adgloriam]

Secondly, during the 20th century there wasn’t any city half in ruins,

Berlin, Stalingrad, Warsaw, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Guernica, the list goes in endlessly…

persecution of Christians

Nazi Germany, soviet Russia, still China today, perhaps the better part of the world, again the list goes on endlessly…

assassinations of Bishops and people of different ranks

Holocaust, Gulags, Johannes Neuhäusler, Martin Niemöller, soviet persecution of religious and lay, the list goes on endlessly…

in Italy

Catholic means universal, nowhere did the third secret say it pertained exclusively to Italy.

but nothing has happened

WW2 happened, the cold war, Vatican II, Fascism in Europe, Communism all over the world, Colonial wars, generalized estranging from the church…

It is unclear why Vatican had kept it as a secret for such a long time

It has largely been commented on for decades now.

Why not release it right away?

For plenty of good reasons.

to have an issue with a Catholic interpretation

Most prophecies of the Old and New Testament are difficult to interpret and not immediately evident. Prophet Daniel is paradigmatic in this, and so are the Gospel Parables.

Pope John XXIII had opened the envelope

The pope has authority.

if the attempt was iconic or something happened after that

An attempt on the Holy Pontiffs life is of the greatest gravity and has global implications we can’t even imagine. He is the head of state, the leader of the world greatest religion with the most believers. He is the vicar of Christ, arguably the most influential and perhaps even the most powerful man on earth. At the very center, the very vortex of the storm - Saint Peters throne in Rome.

The secret was officially interpreted by Catholic Church

As far as I know the interpretation was personal of Saint John Paul II.

 

[Cruciferi]

I don’t believe the Third Secret of Fatima has been fulfilled yet. St. John Bosco also had a vision where the Church was assaulted from all directions and the Pope was killed.

Third Secret of Fatima

“[…] Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers […]”

Three Secrets of Fátima - Wikipedia

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The Two Pillars- St. John Bosco

“Somehow or other, the Pope was hit seriously and fell down. Once those around him went to his rescue and lifted him. The Pope was hit the second time. He fell down again and expired.”
http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/two-pillars-bosco.htm

 

[TheLittleLady]

I sat in a room with Fr Andrew Apostoli (may he rest in peace). In that wonderful Brooklyn accent he said “if anyone tells you that the 3rd Secret has not been fulfilled, tell them they can come talk to me”. Now, granted, you cannot talk to him anymore, however, you can read the definitive book on Fatima. https://www.ignatius.com/Fatima-for-Today-P698.aspx

By denying that the 3rd Secret has been fulfilled, you are saying that Pope John Paul II, Sr. Lucia, Pope Benedict and many others are lying???

 

[Cruciferi]

It’s similarity to the vision of St. John Bosco is striking. Pope St. Pius X Allegedly saw something similar.

By denying that the 3rd Secret has been fulfilled, you are saying that Pope John Paul II, Sr. Lucia, Pope Benedict and many others are lying???

Don’t put words in my mouth. That’s poor form. I’m not calling anyone a liar. We’re not bound to believe any of this! Nevertheless, I do believe there’s room for speculation.

I highly recommend this book for anyone interested in APPROVED Catholic Prophecy: Trial, Tribulation & Triumph: Before, During, and After Antichrist https://www.amazon.com/dp/1882972732/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_4EEEAb6KBWR5H

 

[1ke]

It’s a total waste of time and energy to worry about any such “secrets”. Live a holy life. Be ready for judgment day when it comes.

Private revelations are private. Any “interpretation” is private too. These are NOT doctrinal matters.

I don’t know what the 3rd secret says and I don’t care what it say. At all.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I seem to have an issue with a Catholic interpretation of the Third Secret Of Fatima.

It’s really not your job to interpret the Third Secret of Fatima.

I’m fine with leaving that up to Saint Pope John Paul II and others on that level.

It is, however, your job to offer prayers and penance, as Our Lady wants us to do. Whether you believe she appeared at Fatima and made a special request for those things or not, she wants us to do those things, either way.

So I concentrate on that part. It can be interesting to read books about the secrets, but too many people get all hung up on “secrets” and miss the main message, which is prayer, penance, and mending our sinful ways.

 

[phil19034]

Personally, I believe (as a whole) Fatima was about Communism and the Third Secret was about Communism too.

Remember - some prophesy is not about what WILL come, but rather what MIGHT come if we don’t take heed.

Personally, I think third secret was not about the assassination of John Paul II, but rather what would have happened AFTER a successful assassination of John Paul II, or the assassination of another pope if John Paul II never became Pope.

Sr. Lucia told John Paul I that he would die to make way for a great pope.

If Paul VI didn’t resume Vatican II, chances are that John Paul I would not have been elected Pope, which would have resulted in a different Pope and John Paul II never being elected.

Paul VI’s choices during his Papacy lead to the election of John Paul I, which quickly lead to the election of John Paul II.

I firmly believe that without John Paul II, the Soviet Union would have become a bigger threat to the world AND to Poland.

I think the death of all those bishops, priests, nuns was Poland, not Rome. The Pols would have eventually rebelled against the Soviets, but only John Paul II (as Pope) was able to help them to do it in a peaceful way.

As Pope, JPII and Ronald Reagan were able to end the Soviet Union without a single shot fired. And while Reagan did a lot, NO ONE did more than JPII to end the Soviet Union and return freedom to Eastern Europe.

God bless

 

[TheLittleLady]

Don’t put words in my mouth. That’s poor form. I’m not calling anyone a liar. We’re not bound to believe any of this! Nevertheless, I do believe there’s room for speculation.

Either these people told the truth or they did not.

https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/fatimaconsecration.htm

 

[phil19034]

Personally, I believe (as a whole) Fatima was about Communism and the Third Secret was about Communism too.

Remember - some prophesy is not about what WILL come, but rather what MIGHT come if we don’t take heed.

Personally, I think third secret was not about the assassination of John Paul II, but rather what would have happened AFTER a successful assassination of John Paul II, or the assassination of another pope if John Paul II never became Pope.

Sr. Lucia told John Paul I that he would die to make way for a great pope.

If Paul VI didn’t resume Vatican II, chances are that John Paul I would not have been elected Pope, which would have resulted in a different Pope and John Paul II never being elected.

Paul VI’s choices during his Papacy lead to the election of John Paul I, which quickly lead to the election of John Paul II.

I firmly believe that without John Paul II, the Soviet Union would have become a bigger threat to the world AND to Poland.

I think the death of all those bishops, priests, nuns was Poland, not Rome. The Pols would have eventually rebelled against the Soviets, but only John Paul II (as Pope) was able to help them to do it in a peaceful way.

As Pope, JPII and Ronald Reagan were able to end the Soviet Union without a single shot fired. And while Reagan did a lot, NO ONE did more than JPII to end the Soviet Union and return freedom to Eastern Europe.

God bless

BTW - it’s also possible that the Third Secret doesn’t refer to one possible event either. It’s can be very possible that it refers to Communism AND Islam at the same time. Meaning, we learned about Russian/Eastern Communism and were able to address the problems there. However, if we continue to go off track, then we will risk the same danger against with the Muslims and/or Western communists.

In the future, we will need a Pope who can combat the Muslims and the Western communists/socialists the same way St. Pope John Paul II fraught the Eastern communists - with Truth, Love and Solidarity.

God bless.

 

[Cruciferi]

It’s not a matter of truth. It’s called “Interpretation”. The prophecy could take place over a substantial period of time. It’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it.

And before anyone brings this up, Yes I believe the Consecration of Russia occurred and is valid.

 

[simonjosiah1]

Listen to Malachi Martin on YouTube, he read the third secret, he drops hints and said it involves an antipope

 

[commenter]

The secret was officially interpreted by Catholic Church

As far as I know the interpretation was personal of Saint John Paul II.

I suppose all the popes who read it after St. John XXIII interpreted it personally. There wouldn’t be an official interpretation of an approved private revelation, and for that matter, I don’t think any information revealed since 1930 is part of the Church’s “approved” private revelation.

What is troubling is that there is so little focus on the main part of the original message: that you, personally should pray, fast, convert. Instead there is so much focus on world politics, or supposed questionable leadership in the Church - in other words, us evaluating people other than ourselves.

 

[phil19034]

What is troubling is that there is so little focus on the main part of the original message: that you, personally should pray, fast, convert. Instead there is so much focus on world politics, or supposed questionable leadership in the Church - in other words, us evaluating people other than ourselves.

Very true. That’s because we humans are always too fixated on the future and the end of days. We don’t like to listen to Jesus when He said that He knows not the day or hour.

 

[Genesis315]

I know a non-Catholic who through study became interested in Catholicism, but the Church he found nowadays barely resembled the Church in past times he had come to know–he said it seemed like the ruins of a once great city. I immediately thought of the Third Secret of Fatima. I see the secret as more symbolic and as more related to a loss of faith, the death of so many vocations, the degradation of the liturgy in so many places, etc. (especially in light of other approved revelations, like Akita, about that same thing). This is why in 1962 it seemed so out of place–the Church was flourishing in these ways in an almost unprecedented way then.

It could also refer to Communist persecution. The ultimate error of Communism is denying man’s supernatural vocation, end and destiny and attempting to replace it with seeking an earthly utopia. Communism led to the physical persecution and death of many, but this error has also destroyed the faith and supernatural life of many.

 

[misstherese]

This is my personal opinion, but I find that there is a persecution of sorts from those who wish for the secularization of the world, punishment for prayer in schools, push to remove God from the pledge of allegiance, and those of progressive minds working to remove the seal of the confessional, allowance for blessing homosexual unions, intolerance towards those of orthodox thinking, etc, etc, the list goes on and on.

I think the Third Secret is about a loss of faith within the Church, and persecution.

Lucia’s had thoughts that it was about a loss of faith. That would make sense because persecution also can come from within…

edit: I’d like to add, communism is, in it’s essence, a very masonic ideology. The threat of communism is real, as it seems to suggest in the Third Secret, and likewise, the threat of Freemasonry and its ideas and influence is very real. It’s really a war between heterodoxy and orthodoxy.

These are just my thoughts. You are free to disagree.

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[godisgood77]

Listen to Malachi Martin on YouTube, he read the third secret, he drops hints and said it involves an antipope

Definitely don’t read Malachi Martin… conspiracy theories and speculation about anti-popes is not a good use of anyone’s time.

 

[godisgood77]

What is troubling is that there is so little focus on the main part of the original message: that you, personally should pray, fast, convert.

Fully agree… the unfortunate thing is that the Fatima sensation seems to have brought out the worst tendencies of many Catholics… superstition, apocalyptic forecasts, placing private revelations about authentic magisterium and doctrine. Fatima adds nothing to the deposit of faith, it should only reinforce the Church’s teachings like - prayers, fasting and conversion.

The rest of it is for the birds…

 

[Organist78]

I struggle with this too. Where they get a prophecy of an assassination attempt on JPII out of that I will never know.

But that is the nature of prophecy.