I think EWTN spoiled us!

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I hope this is the right place to post this… We are in RCIA and have been attending Mass at our local parish. When we first went, we really expected something similar to what we see daily on EWTN. However, it’s nothing like it, and we are getting really discouraged.

The music has a very folksy feel to it, complete with someone strumming a guitar. The altar servers just wear white robes with jeans and sneakers…the whole atmosphere is almost too laid back. So much so that some people even ignore the tablernacle. I love to sing, and so I sat in on one of the choir practices. One of the songs had rain in the title and the director said, “Oh good! I need to bring my rain stick!” I did a double take and had to snap my mouth shut. A rain stick? At Mass? And even though things are laid back, the service is so rushed! It’s almost like parts overlap because they are going so fast.

Combine that with the RCIA instruction we are getting…and we are feeling kind of down.

In our area there are other parishes, which we haven’t tried yet, but we are not holding out too much hope as the same priests and deacon serve them all.

I’m sorry-I guess this really has no point except to allow me to vent a little about something that has discouraged us, as we really have no one else with whom to discuss this. Maybe we’re making too big of a deal out of it.

Andrea
 
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AWall:
Maybe we’re making too big of a deal out of it.
No you’re not.
Maybe if you post what Diocese you are in, someone can help you find a more Historically Catholic parish.

(hint, try the Ethnic parishes, mine is Slovak and Wonderful)
 
Just wait. It only gets worse. Soon people will start trying to hold your hand during the Lord’s Prayer and banging on a drum set during Communion. 😉
 
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AWall:
I hope this is the right place to post this… We are in RCIA and have been attending Mass at our local parish. When we first went, we really expected something similar to what we see daily on EWTN. However, it’s nothing like it, and we are getting really discouraged.

The music has a very folksy feel to it, complete with someone strumming a guitar. The altar servers just wear white robes with jeans and sneakers…the whole atmosphere is almost too laid back. So much so that some people even ignore the tablernacle. I love to sing, and so I sat in on one of the choir practices. One of the songs had rain in the title and the director said, “Oh good! I need to bring my rain stick!” I did a double take and had to snap my mouth shut. A rain stick? At Mass? And even though things are laid back, the service is so rushed! It’s almost like parts overlap because they are going so fast.

Combine that with the RCIA instruction we are getting…and we are feeling kind of down.

In our area there are other parishes, which we haven’t tried yet, but we are not holding out too much hope as the same priests and deacon serve them all.

I’m sorry-I guess this really has no point except to allow me to vent a little about something that has discouraged us, as we really have no one else with whom to discuss this. Maybe we’re making too big of a deal out of it.

Andrea
Keep the faith…

I empathize with you. Though I am a cradle Catholic, I went through RCIA years ago as an adult because I had never been confirmed. The instruction was horrible, often bordering on heresy.

My advice to you is finish RCIA and enter the Church. Build and burnish a personal program of daily prayer. Once you are a Catholic you might then “shop around” a bit to see if you can find a parish that more meets your desires. Whatever you do, don’t become one of those embittered fringers who become consumed with hate.

I believe that EWTN provides a wonderful example of just how solemn and holy the Mass can be, Watch it as much as you can. Finally keep in mind those “white robes” are actually called “albs” – the vestment proper to all baptised Catholics, and guitars are in no way prohibited from the Mass – but perhaps many of the guitarists should be…
 
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Jabronie:
Just wait. It only gets worse. Soon people will start trying to hold your hand during the Lord’s Prayer and banging on a drum set during Communion. 😉
Why would you say something like that to someone who is making their way into the Church?
 
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AltarMan:
and guitars are in no way prohibited from the Mass – but perhaps many of the guitarists should be…
:rotfl:

Ya got that right!
 
Hang in there. The solace I try to take (when I’m not too angry at the absurdities and banalities) is that as long as the Mass is valid - it’s still the Mass. Bad music and lack of reverence doesn’t change that. While I often fail, I try to focus on the Mass itself and treat the rest as a test of my own sorely lacking humility.
 
netmil(name removed by moderator): We are in the Archdiocese of Seattle, but very south in Lewis county, about 1/2 south of Olympia.

Jabronie: The hand holding thing was a shocker too. Hadn’t seen that before! And they put hands in the air…that’s what they do at my mom’s non-denom church.

Andrea
 
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AltarMan:
Why would you say something like that to someone who is making their way into the Church?
Well, AltarMan, as a convert, I can say that the turning point for me – after 20 years of standing at the gate, put off by the general slovenliness of Catholic worship in America – was the realization that it ain’t likely gonna get any better, so if you want the authenticity, you just have to STAND it!

That said, there are wonderful parishes that are not only orthodox and beautiful but also humane and full of the Holy Spirit.

Welcome aboard, AWall! It’s a culture shock, for sure, but it’s WORTH it. Take advice given above and see if you can’t identify a parish that has a little more going for it. Meanwhile, know that patience, humility and meekness are virtues that will carry you a long way in the spiritual life.
 
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johnnykins:
Hang in there. The solace I try to take (when I’m not too angry at the absurdities and banalities) is that as long as the Mass is valid - it’s still the Mass. Bad music and lack of reverence doesn’t change that. While I often fail, I try to focus on the Mass itself and treat the rest as a test of my own sorely lacking humility.
Ahem. :o My confessor once gave me as a penance, the assgnment of not rolling my eyes nor in any way registering distaste when we are asked to sing appalling folky-rock guitar-and-tambourine “songs” instead of hymns during Mass.
 
I’m trying to figure out how to quote replies!

AltarMan: We are definitely going to finish RCIA. Our experience in no way negates the belief that we have in the truth of the Catholic faith. Our personal prayer life is what keeps us going! We will keep in mind the robes are called albs. Still learning all the terminology.

Andrea
 
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AWall:
I’m trying to figure out how to quote replies!

AltarMan: We are definitely going to finish RCIA. Our experience in no way negates the belief that we have in the truth of the Catholic faith. Our personal prayer life is what keeps us going! We will keep in mind the robes are called albs. Still learning all the terminology.

Andrea
AWall, down in the lower left corner of the message there is a button labeled “quote.” Click on that and reply from the window that pops up.
 
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mercygate:
Welcome aboard, AWall! It’s a culture shock, for sure, but it’s WORTH it. Take advice given above and see if you can’t identify a parish that has a little more going for it. Meanwhile, know that patience, humility and meekness are virtues that will carry you a long way in the spiritual life.
I think I figured out the quote thing!

Thanks-and you are absolutely right about those virtues-patience has never been a strong one for me!:o

Andrea
 
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AWall:
netmil(name removed by moderator): We are in the Archdiocese of Seattle, but very south in Lewis county, about 1/2 south of Olympia.

Jabronie: The hand holding thing was a shocker too. Hadn’t seen that before! And they put hands in the air…that’s what they do at my mom’s non-denom church.

Andrea
That’s exactly what I don’t like about the hand stuff. It seems so much like a Protestant thing to me. Don’t let it turn you off though. Heck, even do it if you’re comfortable doing it (I am not) Where I live it’s not too hard to find a Catholic mass that is either really trad, or really contemporary. Keep looking, and you’ll find one you like. Just make sure that there’s a statue of Mary inside so that you know you’re in the right place 🙂
 
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AWall:
I think I figured out the quote thing!

Thanks-and you are absolutely right about those virtues-patience has never been a strong one for me!:o

Andrea
I find, comparing Catholic with Protestant life in general, that a LOT more goes on outside of Mass than during Mass. Mass is crucial: the Eucharist is overwhelming, of course (I go nearly every day). But prayer life, interior life, the “sensitive” stuff that goes on in the heart, is a lot more intense and more involving than in much Protestant culture. That is a generalization, of course. Coming out of a High Church Anglican background, my spirituality was pretty intense and pretty “catholic” outside of Sunday also . . .
 
It is the Eucharist that keeps many people Catholic in spite of some liturgical practises/abuses. Thank God for people like Scott Hahn and other converts like him (and you AWall) who are an example and an inspiration to us cradle Catholics.
 
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AWall:
netmil(name removed by moderator): We are in the Archdiocese of Seattle, but very south in Lewis county, about 1/2 south of Olympia.
I’ll keep my eyes open for someone that can guide you.
Maybe you can do a search on these forums for Seattle and see if anyone knows!
Too bad you’re not in MI.
 
Welcome home!

I don’t live anywhere near Seattle, but I ran “Archdiocese of Seattle” in Google, and came to this kind of “40 years of progress” report at

seattlearch.org/FormationAndEducation/Progress/Vatican+II-Liturgical+Changes+11-3-05.htm

It might help, it might make things worse, I hope not.

Then I went to the parish locator and clicked on Lewis County:

seattlearch.org/Archdiocese/Templates/Internal/ParishLocator.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2fArchdioceseWorking%2fParishLocator%2f&NRNODEGUID=%7b1337CAFA-00A2-47EE-AF28-D12F021F5589%7d&NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest

I think it is a hoot that Centralia, IL and Centralia, WA both have a parish named St. Mary.

Anyway, it looks like ALL the parishes in Lewis County are served by exactly three priests.

So- I went to the map and pulled up Pacific County, and found a parish where they pray the Rosary- a good sign! It is St. Lawrence in Raymond.

seattlearch.org/Archdiocese/Templates/Internal/ParishLocator.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2fArchdioceseWorking%2fParishLocator%2f&NRNODEGUID=%7b1337CAFA-00A2-47EE-AF28-D12F021F5589%7d&NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest

Then I went to - Cowlitz County, did I read that correctly?- and found St. Philip in Woodland, which has exposition of the Blessed Sacrament AND Bendiction.
seattlearch.org/Archdiocese/Templates/Internal/ParishLocator.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2fArchdioceseWorking%2fParishLocator%2f&NRNODEGUID=%7b1337CAFA-00A2-47EE-AF28-D12F021F5589%7d&NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest

Also, St. Rose of Viterbo in Longview didn’t look too bad:

stroselongview.catholicweb.com/

Our Lady Star of the Sea in Stevenson and St. Thomas in Camas looked really promising, esp. since St. Thomas has a proper attire and etiquette disclaimer, and Star of the Sea has an explanation of how to go to confession:

ourladystarofthesea.org/

http://www.st-thomascamas.org/
st-thomascamas.org/holymass/etiquette.htm

ALL THIS BEING SAID- I don’t live in Washington. I live in Illinois, where Catholic churches abound and almost every small town has two. I have no idea what the roads are like in Washington, or how long it will take you to get to any of these places. But you have to have somebody pulling for you when you’re new to something, and I guess that’s what I’m trying to do.
 
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OutinChgoburbs:
Welcome home!

I don’t live anywhere near Seattle, but I ran “Archdiocese of Seattle” in Google, and came to this kind of “40 years of progress” report at

seattlearch.org/FormationAndEducation/Progress/Vatican+II-Liturgical+Changes+11-3-05.htm

It might help, it might make things worse, I hope not.

Then I went to the parish locator and clicked on Lewis County:

seattlearch.org/Archdiocese/Templates/Internal/ParishLocator.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2fArchdioceseWorking%2fParishLocator%2f&NRNODEGUID=%7b1337CAFA-00A2-47EE-AF28-D12F021F5589%7d&NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest

I think it is a hoot that Centralia, IL and Centralia, WA both have a parish named St. Mary.

Anyway, it looks like ALL the parishes in Lewis County are served by exactly three priests.

So- I went to the map and pulled up Pacific County, and found a parish where they pray the Rosary- a good sign! It is St. Lawrence in Raymond.

seattlearch.org/Archdiocese/Templates/Internal/ParishLocator.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2fArchdioceseWorking%2fParishLocator%2f&NRNODEGUID=%7b1337CAFA-00A2-47EE-AF28-D12F021F5589%7d&NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest

Then I went to - Cowlitz County, did I read that correctly?- and found St. Philip in Woodland, which has exposition of the Blessed Sacrament AND Bendiction.
seattlearch.org/Archdiocese/Templates/Internal/ParishLocator.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2fArchdioceseWorking%2fParishLocator%2f&NRNODEGUID=%7b1337CAFA-00A2-47EE-AF28-D12F021F5589%7d&NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest

Also, St. Rose of Viterbo in Longview didn’t look too bad:

stroselongview.catholicweb.com/

Our Lady Star of the Sea in Stevenson and St. Thomas in Camas looked really promising, esp. since St. Thomas has a proper attire and etiquette disclaimer, and Star of the Sea has an explanation of how to go to confession:

ourladystarofthesea.org/

http://www.st-thomascamas.org/
st-thomascamas.org/holymass/etiquette.htm

ALL THIS BEING SAID- I don’t live in Washington. I live in Illinois, where Catholic churches abound and almost every small town has two. I have no idea what the roads are like in Washington, or how long it will take you to get to any of these places. But you have to have somebody pulling for you when you’re new to something, and I guess that’s what I’m trying to do.
Now THAT is a spiritual work of mercy! Good going, Chicagoburbs!
 
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