I think Islam is a good religion.

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I think Islam is a good religion. Muslims are religious and that is good. We christians not always follow what god tells us, but many muslims follow better what Jesus taught. I think these terrors are done by our governments secretly and the muslims are blamed for it. Also Islamic concepts of women and war are wrongly presented by the media. This is not good. Our catholic catechism accepts muslims as part of the plan of salvation, as they worship the same God as us. I personally have a lot of muslim friends and I have been in Algeria. The muslims there are very hospitable. I was surprised by comparing them with the concept i had about Islam. They are quite different. I think as we are struggling with AIDS and drugs today, the muslim concepts of strong morality should be followed. For that we don’t necessarily need to convert. May Jesus Christ have mercy on us all. Amen.
 
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I think Islam is a good religion. Muslims are religious and that is good. We christians not always follow what god tells us, but many muslims follow better what Jesus taught.** I think these terrors are done by our governments secretly and the muslims are blamed for it.** Also Islamic concepts of women and war are wrongly presented by the media. This is not good. Our catholic catechism accepts muslims as part of the plan of salvation, as they worship the same God as us. I personally have a lot of muslim friends and I have been in Algeria. The muslims there are very hospitable. I was surprised by comparing them with the concept i had about Islam. They are quite different. I think as we are struggling with AIDS and drugs today, the muslim concepts of strong morality should be followed. For that we don’t necessarily need to convert. May Jesus Christ have mercy on us all. Amen.
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The highlighted part of your post worries me. I don’t buy into the deep, dark, super-secret conspiracy theories.

Other than that, the only thing I have to say is that I too wish people would stop attacking all Muslims as violent fanatics.
 
I think religions can’t be bad, what’s bad must be the governments, because its either they falsely accuse a religion, or at the other extreme use religious sentiment as a tool to gain support. In the early history of our religion, weren’t it the governments that persecuted us? Didn’t emperor nero start a fire in Rome, blamed the Christians for it and fed them to the lions? Jesus bless us all. Amen.
 
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GodLover:
I think religions can’t be bad, what’s bad must be the governments, because its either they falsely accuse a religion, or at the other extreme use religious sentiment as a tool to gain support. In the early history of our religion, weren’t it the governments that persecuted us? Didn’t emperor nero start a fire in Rome, blamed the Christians for it and fed them to the lions? Jesus bless us all. Amen.
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Well, it’s one thing to cite incidents in which governments persecuted people of faith and quite another to accuse your own government of deliberately lying about 9-11 and other horrors perpetrated by Islamic fanatics who are about as faithful to true Islam as Timothy McVeigh was to Christianity. Nutcases will also use religion to get what they want, not only governments. I think you’ve been listening to too much fanatical Islamic propaganda.
 
Well its not actually me, i’ve heard that mossad and CIA had dialogued continually for the last 3 days before the attack about aspects of the 9-11. A guy from egypt called the CIA office to say that some form of attack will be done on USA within a day. That guy was an agent of the mossad. And the fact “mossad” did it is a popular rumour. And it also verifies the context and intention of the attack. Because it was only because of that attack that Bush could attack afghanistan and Iraq, just as if it is a part of a plan. there was no attack before Bush came to power. Look, he didn’t still find Osama, because i think its he’s the one that funds for al-qaeda to create tension in the world. No one please mind my post. Jesus bless us all. Amen.
 
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GodLover:
Well its not actually me, i’ve heard that mossad and CIA had dialogued continually for the last 3 days before the attack about aspects of the 9-11. A guy from egypt called the CIA office to say that some form of attack will be done on USA within a day. That guy was an agent of the mossad. And the fact “mossad” did it is a popular rumour. And it also verifies the context and intention of the attack. Because it was only because of that attack that Bush could attack afghanistan and Iraq, just as if it is a part of a plan. there was no attack before Bush came to power. Look, he didn’t still find Osama, because i think its he’s the one that funds for al-qaeda to create tension in the world. No one please mind my post. Jesus bless us all. Amen.
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Well, OK then.
 
i dont want to turn this thread into any conspiracy theory really . But i am interested in knowing if any of you know about the Israeli attac`k on USS liberty in 1967 . Also about the Lavon affair scandal in the 1940s or 50s .
 
I also think theres unnecessary pressure being created upon the muslims in our countries. I think this leads the path to persecution, which our lord does not permit. Jesus bless us all. Amen.
 
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GodLover:
Well its not actually me, i’ve heard that mossad and CIA had dialogued continually for the last 3 days before the attack about aspects of the 9-11. A guy from egypt called the CIA office to say that some form of attack will be done on USA within a day. That guy was an agent of the mossad. And the fact “mossad” did it is a popular rumour. And it also verifies the context and intention of the attack. Because it was only because of that attack that Bush could attack afghanistan and Iraq, just as if it is a part of a plan. there was no attack before Bush came to power. Look, he didn’t still find Osama, because i think its he’s the one that funds for al-qaeda to create tension in the world. No one please mind my post. Jesus bless us all. Amen.
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I don’t see that you have any basis for these theories. Conspiracy theories are usually crazy. I see no reason why you put stock in them. You can always find people who will make wild accusations.

And it’s not true that religions as a whole are good. Religions in general are neither good nor bad. I’d go so far as to say that pretty much no individual religion is good or bad (true or false is a different matter). Religions can do great good or great evil, and most major world religions have done plenty of both. Christianity and Islam more than most because they are very active, demanding, all-or-nothing religions.

The big difference between Islam and Christianity is that Islam doesn’t have the same counter-cultural element Christianity does. Of course it’s countercultural with regard to Islamic societies, but Christianity is countercultural with regard even to Christian societies. The Church can never simply be identified with any society.

Islam faces serious challenges today because it’s so deeply tied to certain cultural attitudes.This can be appealing because it stands in such contrast to the decadence of modern culture. But it also makes it easy for Muslims to glorify violence in a way that most Christians don’t do any more. You can’t just blame this on anti-Muslims. Muslims are willing to resort to violence far more willingly than any modern religious group I know of (this isn’t a statement about all Muslims, of course, but about Muslims taken as a whole). Traditionally, Muslims had restraints on violence (perhaps more effective than those of Christians at least at some times and places). But Christianity has turned out to have within itself a dynamic that questions all violence, and I don’t see that in historic Islam.

Edwin
 
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meedo:
i dont want to turn this thread into any conspiracy theory really . But i am interested in knowing if any of you know about the Israeli attac`k on USS liberty in 1967 . Also about the Lavon affair scandal in the 1940s or 50s .
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Yes, I am aware of the tragedy of the USS Liberty. Israel was complicit in the attacks upon a US naval vessel whose mission was to gather radio intelligence in the middle east.

StMarkEofE
 
So why didnt the US attack israel like it attacked and killed its sailors ?

Peace
 
I think both sides have some problems today. But Islam has traditionally been more tolerant if it is compared to our Western history in general, no matter how much violence their scriptures have supported. Today if some muslims take refuge in violence, its so to a large extent because I think our governments have failed to treat them fairly. Btw conspiracies did happen in history, didn’t they? The way Bush is behaving makes our common sense think more that he may be conspirating. Thats what the common sense of any intelligent person would say, I think, and many people do actually believe he is evil. Where are the chemical weapons in Iraq? Why would you kill so many innocent people? Jesus bless us all. Amen.

:o Make Peace, Not War! :o
 
Well , yes actually . Conspiracy theories doesnt mean its fake. Actually when the facts are always revealed many things that all people would dismiss as dreams and hallusinations become shameful facts.

Here is teh proof from Jews themselves

jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/lavon.html

“Seidenberg was first sent to Germany to establish a false identity as a former SS officer by the name of Paul Frank. He successfully infiltrated the ranks of the underground former Nazi network. He set out for Egypt in early 1954, his new identity established. “He chalked up a number of successes, uncovering the underground route by which wanted Nazi war criminals slipped through to the Arab states, as well as supplying the first reports about Egyptian efforts to establish an arms industry with the help of German experts.” Once he arrived in Egypt he began recruiting further members of the Egyptian Jewish community. Marcelle Ninio was one of those who were captivated by his show of confidence and by the fact that he was an Israeli. The other members of the cell - who all knew each other, which was an unfortunate portent and a major mistake in terms of organizing espionage operations - agreed to work for him as well. On July 2, 1954, they went into action. They first blew up some post offices and a few days later, the American libraries in Cairo and Alexandria. These operations were to "make it clear to the whole world that Egypt’s new rulers were nothing but a group of foolhardy extremists, unreliable and unworthy of taking charge of an asset as important as the Suez Canal. Furthermore, it was to be demonstrated that their grasp on power was uncertain, that they faced powerful internal opposition, and, consequently, they were unworthy of being counted upon as a dependable ally.”
 
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GodLover:
I think both sides have some problems today. But Islam has traditionally been more tolerant if it is compared to our Western history in general,
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That really isnt a valid comparison, islamic rulers in india were responsible for the single largest genocide in the history of the world.

Also islamic rulers in turkey were responsible for the genocide of armenians and greeks.

It would seem dear freind that you do not have your facts right, apart from the western colonial past, its blemish has only been some parts of the crusades, which i believe the muslims asked for since they were invading europe.
Indias losses
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There is no official estimate of the total death toll of Hindus at the hands of Islam. A first glance at important testimonies by Muslim chroniclers suggests that, over 13 centuries and a territory as vast as the Subcontinent, Muslim Holy Warriors easily killed more Hindus than the 6 million of the Holocaust. Ferishtha lists several occasions when the Bahmani sultans in central India (1347-1528) killed a hundred thousand Hindus, which they set as a minimum goal whenever they felt like “punishing” the Hindus; and they were only a third-rank provincial dynasty. The biggest slaughters took place during the raids of Mahmud Ghaznavi (ca. 1000 CE); during the actual conquest of North India by Mohammed Ghori and his lieutenants (1192 ff.); and under the Delhi Sultanate (1206-1526). The Moghuls (1526-1857), even Babar and Aurangzeb, were fairly restrained tyrants by comparison. Prof. K.S. Lal once estimated that the Indian population declined by 50 million under the Sultanate, but that would be hard to substantiate; research into the magnitude of the damage Islam did to India is yet to start in right earnest.
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Apart from actual killing, millions of Hindus disappeared by way of enslavement. After every conquest by a Muslim invader, slave markets in Bagdad and Samarkand were flooded with Hindus. Slaves were likely to die of hardship, e.g. the mountain range Hindu Koh, “Indian mountain”, was renamed Hindu Kush, “Hindu-killer”, when one cold night in the reign of Timur Lenk (1398-99), a hundred thousand Hindu slaves died there while on transport to Central Asia. Though Timur conquered Delhi from another Muslim ruler, he recorded in his journal that he made sure his pillaging soldiers spared the Muslim quarter, while in the Hindu areas, they took “twenty slaves each”. Hindu slaves were converted to Islam, and when their descendants gained their freedom, they swelled the numbers of the Muslim community. It is a cruel twist of history that the Muslims who forced Partition on India were partly the progeny of Hindus enslaved by Islam.
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Alhamdulillah for the sikhs of India, that fought the muslims at great cost to protect the subcontinint for 500 years
 
Excuse me can u bring sound proof other than mere opinions .?

How about start responding to the above claims of israeli treason for america ?
 
Hawk he didn’t mean that, he said that rulers of all side did commit crimes, he didn’t disagree, what he meant was in general. In general muslims have low records of persecuting other religions, if they did different religions throughout the muslim world wouldn’t have existed. There are only some rare exceptiions in history where muslims have been that much intolerant as you have shown. Comparatively the western culture has a bigger history of intolerance, thats what he meant. I also think the present day media is not being fair to muslims, just read the “Times” magazine and you will know. The muslims are serious about their religion, but they are not necessarily as violent as our media portrays them to be.
 
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meedo:
Excuse me can u bring sound proof other than mere opinions .?

How about start responding to the above claims of israeli treason for america ?
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Sound proof?

Meedo look around you in Egypt, we have shown you how muslims abuse the rights of Christians there, what more proof do you want?

I told you, I support the idea of a jihad in the middle east to establish a Christian homeland for all Christians.

I wonder how the Umma would feel about that
 
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GodLover:
Well its not actually me, i’ve heard that mossad and CIA had dialogued continually for the last 3 days before the attack about aspects of the 9-11.
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Oh you´ve heard! Oh ok, then I´m convinced :rolleyes:
 
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meedo:
So why didnt the US attack israel like it attacked and killed its sailors ?

Peace
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One word: Politics. Aircraft from our carrier fleet were enroute to intercept the Israeli fighter jets and President Johnson called them back thus allowing the Iraelis to finish their act of terror on our sailors and Marines. So it was our government who forsaked our military in their hour of need. Politics trumps military action plain and simple.

StMarkEofE
 
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