I think that protestants have taken the authority

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wisdomseeker said:
You cannot understand how this is related to what you said?
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No I cannot understand how it relates. All I said was I know God would never approve of sin. That verse you quoted says that the Catholic Church is the truth and anyone who isn’t a part of it will have no hope in life and no salvation. So how does that have to do with what I said?
 
Let’s stay on topic please. We don’t want this thread taken down.
 
Kristin234 said:
Oh, I know God would never approve of sin. That is why I said it was hypothetical. Like I said, I’m never saying that would happen.
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In my understanding a Hypothetical allows for the possibility of whatever is hypothesized and in this case as you propose there is no possibility causing me to suggest you rethink the proposition not as a hypothetical.
 
Yes, I said “what if it happens”. Then I said I am not saying it will ever happen but what if it did?

I never said that I believe it will actually happen.
 
I’m sorry Anthony I just saw your post. I will try to stay on topic.
 
I only see the Bible as a History/story book written by man inspired by God and interrupted by man and almost always horrible wrong for horribly wrong reasons.
like…slavery and homophobia.
 
Kristin234 said:
No I cannot understand how it relates. All I said was I know God would never approve of sin. That verse you quoted says that the Catholic Church is the truth and anyone who isn’t a part of it will have no hope in life and no salvation. So how does that have to do with what I said?
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When you posed that question, you simply tried to imply that the Church could be wrong and Catholics would still follow. what you are trying to say is that the Church is wrong and we are just followers even if she is wrong. You know what you have said.

So, I gave you the quote from a Saint of teh Church testifying for the Holy Church of God, the Catholic Church. Those in heresy cannot judge the Church wrong.
 
I think the Holy Bible is indeed has an authority to declare that: the Church is the Pillar and Foundation of the Truth.
 
rikkk1958 said:
I think the Holy Bible is indeed has an authority to declare that: the Church is the Pillar and Foundation of the Truth.
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I think that protestants have taken the authority
from Jesus the Christ and gave to the Bible.
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So if your statement is reflected as noted in the OP for a Protestant to read the Bible honestly it is necessary to read that the Bible declares the Church to be the Pillar and foundation of truth. 👍
 
wisdomseeker said:
When you posed that question, you simply tried to imply that the Church could be wrong and Catholics would still follow. what you are trying to say is that the Church is wrong and we are just followers even if she is wrong. You know what you have said.

So, I gave you the quote from a Saint of teh Church testifying for the Holy Church of God, the Catholic Church. Those in heresy cannot judge the Church wrong.
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Thank you for putting words in my mouth.

First of all, I was not trying to imply anything. Second of all, I was trying to understand that IF the Church ever proposed something that went against the Bible what would Catholics follow: the Bible or the Church. It was just a question. I just wanted to get a better understanding of the whole “church being the final authority.”

I never judged the church nor did I say it was wrong. I know exactly what I said. You obviously are going into it too much and trying to find some anti-Catholicism from what I said when all I was trying to do was get a better understanding of something.
 
Kristin234 said:
You obviously are going into it too much and trying to find some anti-Catholicism from what I said when all I was trying to do was get a better understanding of something.
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What exactly was it you were trying to get a better understanding of?

That you interpret the Scriptures through the lens of your church? And that you follow your pastor/someone else on occasions rather than the Bible?
 
PRmerger said:
What exactly was it you were trying to get a better understanding of?

That you interpret the Scriptures through the lens of your church? And that you follow your pastor/someone else on occasions rather than the Bible?
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Like I said, I was just trying to understand what exactly it meant by the Church being the final authority. Some on here were saying that it isn’t the Bible that has the final authority it is the Church. I was just wondering if the Church changed their view on something that didn’t go with the Bible would Catholics listen to the Church or the Bible. If you read my earlier post you would see that I said I’m not saying that the Church would ever do that but I was just curious.

I don’t understand why everyone is attacking me and being so rude when it was an honest question. I don’t know how many times I have to say it, but I was not implying anything.

Thank you for the people that actually answered my question earlier.
 
Kristin234 said:
Like I said, I was just trying to understand what exactly it meant by the Church being the final authority. Some on here were saying that it isn’t the Bible that has the final authority it is the Church. I was just wondering if the Church changed their view on something that didn’t go with the Bible would Catholics listen to the Church or the Bible. If you read my earlier post you would see that I said I’m not saying that the Church would ever do that but I was just curious.

I don’t understand why everyone is attacking me and being so rude when it was an honest question. I don’t know how many times I have to say it, but I was not implying anything.

Thank you for the people that actually answered my question earlier.
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No one is attacking you. We are giving you answers and nice ones. Here you are treated with respect.

It is the Church who has a voice to determine if a person is in accordance with Scripture and with the Tradition giving to the Church by Christ. Like Jesus said to His chosen 12, “what you heard in the dark, go and proclaim to all.” Obviously only the Church knows what was said in the dark. this means only the 12 Apostles knew the instructions of Jesus and not everyone.
 
Kristin234 said:
Like I said, I was just trying to understand what exactly it meant by the Church being the final authority. Some on here were saying that it isn’t the Bible that has the final authority it is the Church. I was just wondering if the Church changed their view on something that didn’t go with the Bible would Catholics listen to the Church or the Bible. If you read my earlier post you would see that I said I’m not saying that the Church would ever do that but I was just curious.

I don’t understand why everyone is attacking me and being so rude when it was an honest question. I don’t know how many times I have to say it, but I was not implying anything.
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I have seen nothing on this thread that could even be remotely construed as “attacking” you or being “so rude”.

I’ve seen some of your posts and you seem to find offense in places where none exists, IMHO.
Thank you for the people that actually answered my question earlier.
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That would be me. 🙂
 
Kristin234 said:
First of all, I was not trying to imply anything. Second of all, I was trying to understand that IF the Church ever proposed something that went against the Bible what would Catholics follow: the Bible or the Church. It was just a question. I just wanted to get a better understanding of the whole “church being the final authority.”
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Since it is impossible for the Church to contradict the Bible, it is not very useful to speculate on such a possibility.

I will, however, tell you that if the Church makes a statement or a law that is different than my understanding of what the Bible says (as it does from time to time) then my duty as a Catholic is to uphold the law and the teaching of the Church, and keep my personal opinions to myself, except when specifically asked for them. I can’t go around saying that my opinion is more true than the Church’s teachings, because, for one thing, the Church is a whole lot older and wiser than I am. Secondly, even if technically I am right, obedience is listed as a “virtue” but there is nothing in the virtues about “being right.” So even if I’m convinced that I’m right, I still obey, because obedience is more important.
 
CopticChristian said:
So if your statement is reflected as noted in the OP for a Protestant to read the Bible honestly it is necessary to read that the Bible declares the Church to be the Pillar and foundation of truth. 👍
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I think it simply says that the Church will have the authority to interpret what it says in the Holy Bible because we all know that the Holy Bible says also that the tradition should continue to grow and teach, therefore the truth in the Bible did not cease with the writings of the disciples. The Church will grow and make changes believing that it is also guided by the Holy Spirit. These changes is not about the core of the teachings but the new found discoveries that the community will have to cope and adapt in accordance with the Doctrine of the Church. It will also defend the teachings from giving in to change. This is why the Catholic Church will never waiver to whoever teach contrary to God’s will.
 
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