Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, I’d say the “bible” although it wasn’t called that by the jews. Then after Jesus came and went, it was added onto.Don’t you think He knew that all of His story would be Written? Do you not think He already Knew what Paul would write? And, He most certainly knew what John would write in the Book of Revalation.
And not is a question of what came first,but as to WHO Christ empowered with authority: His Church and the Bible is very clear on it.
***The PROBLEM with this view is that if anyone actually DOES [not just verbally by by the way we choose to life our lives] actually belien IN GOD. Then that person MUST give evidence by adhering to in humility to ALL that God teaches,
***Perhaps I should have said, that they took the authority and placed in their own interpretation of the Bible.
+++++ Is it the same that we use today ?
John 1:13-14 (why?)
I think this is so funny that you say that. I was listening to Family Life Radio today and The guy who is on at 3:00 pm, I think Dr. Randy Carlson, was talking about how the Word is mishandled too much these days. If sola scriptura is correct, an interpreting power should not be necessary should it? And the thing of it is, every single pastor can have a different interpretation. That is what is great about having the Vatican to sort all of this out. Who do you trust in faith matter more? The guy that worries about his wife and kids and possibly job at home while studying scripture and making his interpretations with all of that jazz going on, or someone who is celibate, dedicated to God, trained and in-training, and who has no “family” so to speak to disturb him from his studies and conversations with other priests.
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Why? Again…is the Truth that offensive?
Ekklesia decisions or political matters? There are differences. The church Jesus founded was founded upon the assembly to make decisions? Then why pick 12 and later assign their office to others?
Wrong! Jesus never once taught about the Democracy of God,but the Kingdom of God. You are simply implementing 21st century Western ideals to God’s Church.
Really? The word bishop derives from the Greek episcopas, which literally means “office”. Such as in Acts 1:20 when they are electing Judas’ successor and quote the Psalm saying “His office (episcopas), let another take.”
That is right! He chose the best office for the man, not the best man for the office. Part of the problem is that many non-Catholics do not understand the signifance of the terms: bind,loose and the “keys” given to Peter. You question Linus authority? Why? If the President dies or is killed and his/her successor succeeds him/her,does it mean they will not possess the same authority? How do opponents of the papacy expect God’s work to continue on earth if all power ceased with the Apostles?
Are you convinced of the premise when someone takes over the previous pastor position at a non-Catholic church? Why is it acceptable for non-Catholics,but not for the CC?
First of all,it is not a power struggle or “I am first” and your second. It is because Christ alone gave Peter the “keys” and not the others. Peter alone was given that special duty. Second,why would the other Apostles teachings weigh less? Didn’t they follow Christ as well?
Really? You have a Catholic source or document confirming such a position?
My advise. Read what the Catholic Church teaches,not what others have told you or assume or claim. If you want to a buy a Chevy vehicle and get information on Chevy would you go to the Ford dealer? No! go to the source…Chevy. The same with Catholicism.
My dear friend in Christ,
Caliming some sort of equality is running the HUGE risk of the salvation of souls. ONLY the CC has Known forgicenesss of sins, and ONLY the CC is doing it the very precise way that God COMMANDS [not merlry suggest]. For one to imply anything else is a misrepresenation of the FACTS.
Well said. throughout the Bible in no way God tolerate any other set of beliefs other than His. God sents people to teach. No one can send themselves.My dear friend in Christ,
While GREATLY appreciative of your Charity
I nevertheless must disagree with the idea that other religious [God Bless them] are OK or in ANY way comparable to catholism.
From the first to the final page in the Bible [God’s ow n INSPIRED truth], never once does God tolerate any other set of religious beliefs than His.
IMO
** 1John.1 Verses 8 to 10:** "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."
** 1John.5 Verses 16 to 17**"If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. ** There is sin which is mortal**; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, ** but there is sin which is not mortal. **
** John.20 Verses 20 to 23**]" When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. ** Jesus said to them ** again, “Peace be with you. ** As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” ** And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
The NT alone has over 100 references to only One God; Onr set of beliefs as acceptable and able to lead to POSSIBLE salvation and only todays Catholic Church.
That truth IMO is what needs to be shared.
God Bless,
Pat
We have the list of Popes going back to Peter, with no gaps. There is no way anyone could have “invented” this - it is a matter of historical record, that Peter, an Apostle of Jesus Christ, was the first Pope of the Catholic Church, and he has had successors in every generation since then, leading and guiding the entire universal (ie: Catholic) Church.
Have you thought of the fact that Jesus established the Church? That it is His Creation?
If Peter had remained in Antioch instead of going to Rome, then the See would have been the See of Antioch. The Keys belonged to Peter, and as such, the Bishop of the place where he died (Rome, in this case) inherited them.
It is what Christ established. When Christ specifically used those words, He was quoting from Isaiah 22, which speaks of an office in the House of David (Jesus is the Son of David, remember?) which is the office of Keyholder, and Isaiah 22 is very specific that this is not a personality - a one-off that can only be done by one person - but a role that takes successors.
Nor has he ever been - just as St. Peter worked with the Apostles, so also, the Pope works with all of the Bishops in the world - that is, all of those who are in communion with him. He is not a one-man show. Never has been - that’s why there are Councils once in every generation, as well. He has the last word, just as Peter did, but he does not operate in a vacuum.
I guess what I was saying was not that it offends me when people only restate their premise. I am just saying that in a logical reasonable discussion it provides no value. It would be like a defense attorney just getting up and saying, “well since my client is innocent, he must not have committed the crime.”
I am not saying he taught about Democracy. I am only saying the word that has been translated into “Church” is really a far cry from the way the CC uses it today. When you say that the CC = what Christ was talking about, but the word he used was a direct reference to something structured entirely differently, it requires further justification to explain why you make that link.
I think a more correct statement would be ‘Okay, well this will just keep going in circles because I am sure you know very well that Protestants see the churches as the universal church’, Of course we don’t see it your way, how many truths are there? As far as I can tell only one. Each one of these churches teaches its own truth, what each individual pastor believes. So there are thousands of truths??? I don’t think so.
Caution!
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