I think that protestants have taken the authority

[wisdomseeker]

**Quote:
Originally Posted by Doxiemom
Perhaps saying that they do not accept being bound by the authority of a pope but do feel bound by the higher authority of our coming King Jesus is more accurate. .And to find Him they deeply study Scripture, Old and New, for without the old, you cannot understand the new.

Study of the scripture is a devotion of the highest order.

As in the catholic church and in these other denominations or free churches, there is an abundance “misunderstandings/rumors/lies/exagerations” about each other. **

I suppose that one may see nothing wrong in dissobeying God.

 

[TheGreatestLove]

OK seriously??? Why are you battling??? catholics luthern ect are all christians…which means With Christ. Every religion has one thing in common …each one wants to claim they are the right one!! Do you not know how sinful that is! Do you really think that goes unnoticed by God. Do you wish to anger God with your foolishness.

Yes the bible says -Peter upon this rock …and so forth i forget the rest at the moment lolol
ok seriously…lol Jesus wants ya all to laugh once in a while too ya know…:whacky:

where did he say and call this rock catholic and build a huge temple with the most expensive paintings and hang the most expensive jewels…and wear purest of Gold Rings.

He Did Not!!!

Other christian religions: are some of you not guilty of the same?

I have yet an older child who said she when she went on a canoe weekend trip with a friend of another christian church- They bashed the catholics alot-when she exclaimed she was a catholic-He said oh you poor thing…Now I do have to say…that was manipulation of the worst kind…and certainly against God.

when all christians religions yes catholic is christian too. start heeding to the true message of Jesus …by reviewing his walk and talk upon this earth…then maybe you will find the spirit that will renew you all!!!

Catholic christians-other christians you are all guilty of the same sins here!

And Remember God is the Final Judgment not you or you or you or even me.

The One Thing you all have in common is you believe in God …and that God sent his only son into the world for the salvation of mankind. Maybe that is the rock ye shall start building together from!

‘He leads the humble in the right way,and teaches them his will. With faithfulness and Love He Leads’

http://obzsl.cjb.net/

 

[ESMDHokie77]

from Jesus the Christ and gave to the Bible.

I see this when they insist that the Bible is the final authority. What do you think people?

a stupendous comment. for threads like these I wish I had more time to view CAF.

 

[Wesley7]

No, authority belongs to the ancient heirarchy of the Orthodox/Catholic Church.

 

[Doxiemom]

Caution!

***My dear friend in Christ,

Trying to seperate Papal Teachings of the CC on all that one must believe on Faith beliefs and on all moral issues is like trying to remove oxgen from air.

NOT ONE TIME in the ENTIRE- Bible or the life of Christ ***does one find even one example of God [the one you calim to follow], ever allowing, permitting, or advocating belief in more than Him alone; or ONLY what He God taught [in total-not selevtively chosen by men] or more than JUST HIS OWN One Church; the One HE Christ Gave the Keys of heaven too. Todays CC.

This is the GRAVE error and quicksand foundation of ALL Protestant beliefs and churches.

One cannot, and most assureadly WILL NOT attain salvation without without doing it God’s way. Without picking this or that believe alone and disreguarding ALL that one can’t logically understand. THAT FRIEND IS WHY IT IS CALLED THE PRACTICE OF OUR FAITH>

God Bless you,
Pat

Methinks you went over the line by indicating my faith in God(my claim of believe!!!) my not be factual and that i advocated a belief not only in Him.

You have no basis for saying such things.
Shame on you.

 

[Doxiemom]

**Quote:
Originally Posted by Doxiemom
Perhaps saying that they do not accept being bound by the authority of a pope but do feel bound by the higher authority of our coming King Jesus is more accurate. .And to find Him they deeply study Scripture, Old and New, for without the old, you cannot understand the new.

Study of the scripture is a devotion of the highest order.

As in the catholic church and in these other denominations or free churches, there is an abundance “misunderstandings/rumors/lies/exagerations” about each other. **

I suppose that one may see nothing wrong in dissobeying God.

Ok, let me get this correct…you are saying that reading Scripture and studying Scripture is disobedience to God. Am I right?

Or is it all about the Pope? Is he not subject to Scripture as any man? If a pope, past or present, and not all of them have been of the most excellant character, while others have been so blessed of the Holy Spirit, insists that what is Written isn’t really what it means, or hides truth, that it is to be accepted no matter how absolutly wrong it is, because he comes first over the Bible or tradition?

 

[PJM]

=TheGreatestLove;8615705]OK seriously??? Why are you battling??? catholics luthern ect are all christians…which means With Christ. Every religion has one thing in common …each one wants to claim they are the right one!! Do you not know how sinful that is! Do you really think that goes unnoticed by God. Do you wish to anger God with your foolishness.

**FOOLISNESS

Have you ever considered that if God REALLY wanted, REALLY approved of THOUSANDS of differing understanding of the Bible that He would have waithed some ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED YEARS to iniate it?

NOT ONE TIME IN THE ENTIRE BIBLE CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE GOD; YAHWEH OR CHRIST EVER OERMITTED BELIEVE IN MORE THAN HIMSELF; OR ONLY THE SET OF TEACHING HE GAVE [AS IN TO PETER ABD THE CC], OR MORE THAN ONLY ONE CHURCH ORGANIZATIONS. First the Hebrew Nation, then in the NT todays RCC and affiliates.**

Yes the bible says -Peter upon this rock …and so forth i forget the rest at the moment lolol
ok seriously…lol Jesus wants ya all to laugh once in a while too ya know…:whacky:

IF your open to the truth, send me a PM and I will provide the evidence of what Christ Did and why He did it. Your reference by the way is Matthrew 16:15-19

where did he say and call this rock catholic and build a huge temple with the most expensive paintings and hang the most expensive jewels…and wear purest of Gold Rings

He Did Not!!!

.

REALLY? Have you ever read Exodus Chapters 25 to 27:shrug: Here for your edification is a brief quote:

**Exod.25: 1 **"The LORD said to Moses, 8-11 "And let them make me a sanctuary, that I may dwell in their midst. *According to all that I show you concerning the pattern of the tabernacle, and of all its furniture, so you shall make it. [10] "They shall make an ark of acacia wood; two cubits and a half shall be its length, a cubit and a half its breadth, and a cubit and a half its height. And you shall overlay it with pure gold, within and without shall you overlay it, and you shall make upon it a molding of gold round about. 17-19 "Then you shall make a mercy seat of pure gold; two cubits and a half shall be its length, and a cubit and a half its breadth. And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece with the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. ***.

My friend one OUGHT NOT to PONTIFICATE on matters one is not rightly informed on:blush:

Other christian religions: are some of you not guilty of the same?

when all christians religions yes catholic is christian too. start heeding to the true message of Jesus …by reviewing his walk and talk upon this earth…then maybe you will find the spirit that will renew you all!!!

My dear friend, if your going to speak on behalf of God and His One CC, it might be well to practice the charity you seem to be advocating [CORRECTLY!]

Catholic christians-other christians you are all guilty of the same sins here!

And Remember God is the Final Judgment not you or you or you or even me.

The One Thing you all have in common is you believe in God …and that God sent his only son into the world for the salvation of mankind. Maybe that is the rock ye shall start building together from!

I REALLY DO appreciate your effort. But my friend, we all; like God Himself, are obliaged by the TRUTH of who God is, WHAT God desires, and follow the only Church that God HIMSELF protects. [John 14:16-17; John 17:15-19].

I AM TRULY sorry about the experience your daughter had. THAT is why we MUST know the truth before preaching it.

MAy God Bless you and your family!

Pat

 

[wisdomseeker]

OK seriously??? Why are you battling??? catholics luthern ect are all christians…which means With Christ. Every religion has one thing in common …each one wants to claim they are the right one!! Do you not know how sinful that is! Do you really think that goes unnoticed by God. Do you wish to anger God with your foolishness.

Yes the bible says -Peter upon this rock …and so forth i forget the rest at the moment lolol
ok seriously…lol Jesus wants ya all to laugh once in a while too ya know…:whacky:

where did he say and call this rock catholic and build a huge temple with the most expensive paintings and hang the most expensive jewels…and wear purest of Gold Rings.

He Did Not!!!

Other christian religions: are some of you not guilty of the same?

I have yet an older child who said she when she went on a canoe weekend trip with a friend of another christian church- They bashed the catholics alot-when she exclaimed she was a catholic-He said oh you poor thing…Now I do have to say…that was manipulation of the worst kind…and certainly against God.

when all christians religions yes catholic is christian too. start heeding to the true message of Jesus …by reviewing his walk and talk upon this earth…then maybe you will find the spirit that will renew you all!!!

Catholic christians-other christians you are all guilty of the same sins here!

And Remember God is the Final Judgment not you or you or you or even me.

The One Thing you all have in common is you believe in God …and that God sent his only son into the world for the salvation of mankind. Maybe that is the rock ye shall start building together from!

‘He leads the humble in the right way,and teaches them his will. With faithfulness and Love He Leads’

http://obzsl.cjb.net/

First no need to shout, everyone here can read. Secondly, do you realize that Jesus battled wiht His own prople defending the Truth? if He gave His life defending the Truth, why dont you do the same? No shame in being Catholic. the devil is out there waiting for those who gives up the One Truth. I hope you can see that.

God is not against the Truth but against liers.

Jesus came to witness to the Truth. The Truth must be defended at all costs. Keep that in mind.

 

[wisdomseeker]

OK seriously??? Why are you battling??? catholics luthern ect are all christians…which means With Christ. Every religion has one thing in common …each one wants to claim they are the right one!! Do you not know how sinful that is! Do you really think that goes unnoticed by God. Do you wish to anger God with your foolishness.

Yes the bible says -Peter upon this rock …and so forth i forget the rest at the moment lolol
ok seriously…lol Jesus wants ya all to laugh once in a while too ya know…:whacky:

where did he say and call this rock catholic and build a huge temple with the most expensive paintings and hang the most expensive jewels…and wear purest of Gold Rings.

He Did Not!!!

Other christian religions: are some of you not guilty of the same?

I have yet an older child who said she when she went on a canoe weekend trip with a friend of another christian church- They bashed the catholics alot-when she exclaimed she was a catholic-He said oh you poor thing…Now I do have to say…that was manipulation of the worst kind…and certainly against God.

when all christians religions yes catholic is christian too. start heeding to the true message of Jesus …by reviewing his walk and talk upon this earth…then maybe you will find the spirit that will renew you all!!!

Catholic christians-other christians you are all guilty of the same sins here!

And Remember God is the Final Judgment not you or you or you or even me.

The One Thing you all have in common is you believe in God …and that God sent his only son into the world for the salvation of mankind. Maybe that is the rock ye shall start building together from!

‘He leads the humble in the right way,and teaches them his will. With faithfulness and Love He Leads’

http://obzsl.cjb.net/

Maybe you be kind enough to hear this priest instructions on the Faith.

sensustraditionis.org/multimedia.html

you can scroll down to Catholic Tradition and Liturgy. I think you will like it.

 

[jmcrae]

Ok, let me get this correct…you are saying that reading Scripture and studying Scripture is disobedience to God. Am I right?

No, not at all. Studying Scripture is very, very important. But inventing your own meaning for it, and starting up your own religion in defiance of the religion that gave you the Bible (the Roman Catholic Church) is certainly very, very disobedient - not to mention, extremely illogical.

Or is it all about the Pope? Is he not subject to Scripture as any man?

No one is “subject to Scripture.” The Bible is a book; not a law-giver. It is made of paper; it is not a god. It is an aid to prayer.

If a pope, past or present, and not all of them have been of the most excellant character, while others have been so blessed of the Holy Spirit, insists that what is Written isn’t really what it means, or hides truth, that it is to be accepted no matter how absolutly wrong it is, because he comes first over the Bible or tradition?

The Bible arose out of the Holy Tradition of the Catholic Church. Remember, Jesus had no New Testament. He was not sitting there reading aloud from the Gospel of Matthew at the Sermon on the Mount. It is Jesus who is the authority - not the Bible. The Bible is derived out of the memoirs of the Apostles. We pray the Scriptures; we obey the Apostles (their successors).

 

[wisdomseeker]

No, not at all. Studying Scripture is very, very important. But inventing your own meaning for it, and starting up your own religion in defiance of the religion that gave you the Bible (the Roman Catholic Church) is certainly very, very disobedient - not to mention, extremely illogical.

No one is “subject to Scripture.” The Bible is a book; not a law-giver. It is made of paper; it is not a god. It is an aid to prayer.

The Bible arose out of the Holy Tradition of the Catholic Church. Remember, Jesus had no New Testament. He was not sitting there reading aloud from the Gospel of Matthew at the Sermon on the Mount. It is Jesus who is the authority - not the Bible. The Bible is derived out of the memoirs of the Apostles. We pray the Scriptures; we obey the Apostles (their successors).

Well done J.

As time passes and people changes ideas, it is the Church that is the voice of God, guided by the HS that defines what is against the Will of God or not.

When so many wants to do as they please, the CC is the one who says it cannot be done.

 

[Itiswritten98]

Indeed it is written that there is no one righteous, not even one…
As Christ put it in “… when a Son of Man will come, will He find faith on earth”?

Why are you looking for a splinter in your brother eye, yet do not see a log in your own eye?

Everyone calls Him the Lord, yet as He said “why do you call me Lord, yet do not do what I command”?
His commandments include “forgive”, “do not judge”, “love your enemies”, “turn your right cheek when one slaps you in the left”.
Note, that these cannot be given through a law, as it is written about…
The obedience to commandments of Christ may come only** through Faith** - in Him.

It is written, that all commandments are summed up in one: thy shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Love does no evil to a neighbor, thus one, who came to know God - by faith - through obedience to His commandments - cleanses himself from all evil and thus no longer eats from “the tree of knowledge of good and evil”.

Through that I myself is not worthy to be called a believer, as I did not followed His final commandment. Yet time will come and already coming when the essence about God the Father will be proclaimed to all world religions, for their scriptures also telling about essence of the Father. Do not judge and you will not be judged.

For time is coming to tell the truth about sin and righteousness and judgement.

Concerning sin, that no one believes in Him as I indicated above,
Concerning righteousness, that a Righteous one, even being killed, He was risen and taken up to the Father, yet we people keep dying in our sins.
It is written, that this is the judgement, that light has come into the world, yet people prefer darkness, rather that the light, for their deeds were evil.

God bless,

 

[JustaServant]

Indeed it is written that there is no one righteous, not even one…
As Christ put it in “… when a Son of Man will come, will He find faith on earth”?

Why are you looking for a splinter in your brother eye, yet do not see a log in your own eye?

Everyone calls Him the Lord, yet as He said “why do you call me Lord, yet do not do what I command”?
His commandments include “forgive”, “do not judge”, “love your enemies”, “turn your right cheek when one slaps you in the left”.
Note, that these cannot be given through a law, as it is written about…
The obedience to commandments of Christ may come only** through Faith** - in Him.

It is written, that all commandments are summed up in one: thy shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Love does no evil to a neighbor, thus one, who came to know God - by faith - through obedience to His commandments - cleanses himself from all evil and thus no longer eats from “the tree of knowledge of good and evil”.

Through that I myself is not worthy to be called a believer, as I did not followed His final commandment. Yet time will come and already coming when the essence about God the Father will be proclaimed to all world religions, for their scriptures also telling about essence of the Father. Do not judge and you will not be judged.

For time is coming to tell the truth about sin and righteousness and judgement.

Concerning sin, that no one believes in Him as I indicated above,
Concerning righteousness, that a Righteous one, even being killed, He was risen and taken up to the Father, yet we people keep dying in our sins.
It is written, that this is the judgement, that light has come into the world, yet people prefer darkness, rather that the light, for their deeds were evil.

God bless,

What has this have to do with the OP?

 

[jswanstr]

Are you convinced of the premise when someone takes over the previous pastor position at a non-Catholic church? Why is it acceptable for non-Catholics,but not for the CC?

I am not sure what you mean. I guess this is one of the key differences. In the church I attended growing up, the pastor was very clear that he did not have any authority to speak for God. He always expected the congregation to challenge him and read the scripture for themselves. So, when he left our church, there was no authority to transfer, only the role of leadership. He was a learned man that studied scripture and was able to help us learn, but like the leaders of the Ekklesia, he had no power of his own. If he said it was a sin to drink coffee, it did not make it so.

A question… Does what constitutes “sin” change? Are there some acts that were not sins in 100AD, but are sins today? If so, did God change?

 

[jswanstr]

The Bible arose out of the Holy Tradition of the Catholic Church. Remember, Jesus had no New Testament. He was not sitting there reading aloud from the Gospel of Matthew at the Sermon on the Mount. It is Jesus who is the authority - not the Bible. The Bible is derived out of the memoirs of the Apostles. We pray the Scriptures; we obey the Apostles (their successors).

OK… Now we are making some process.

It is part you put in parenthesis that I am really trying to get at. In the old testament there were no successors. Why is assumed that they are needed now?

 

[Nicea325]

OK… Now we are making some process.

It is part you put in parenthesis that I am really trying to get at. In the old testament there were no successors. Why is assumed that they are needed now?

Really? No successors? So no one succeeded the Temple High Priest?

 

[wisdomseeker]

OK… Now we are making some process.

It is part you put in parenthesis that I am really trying to get at. In the old testament there were no successors. Why is assumed that they are needed now?

No succession? where does the Bible say Jesus came from? How about JESUS saying, “as My Father sent me so I send you…” what do you think this is? do you understand succession? perhaps that is where the problem lies. understanding succession.

 

[jmcrae]

I’m not sure what you were quoting, but I didn’t say that.

Are you convinced of the premise when someone takes over the previous pastor position at a non-Catholic church? Why is it acceptable for non-Catholics,but not for the CC?

The “role of leadership” is the authority. In your case, it was probably conferred by a Board of Elders or a Board of Deacons, rather than from pastor to pastor, or from a Bishop.

A question… Does what constitutes “sin” change? Are there some acts that were not sins in 100AD, but are sins today? If so, did God change?

Disciplines change according to the needs of the people, and it is a sin to break discipline - is that what you mean? Yes, we have different disciplines today than they did in 100 AD. For example, instead of being required to make our Confession to the whole congregation at the beginning of Mass, we make our confessions privately in the Confessional before the Mass begins. Penances are also a lot lighter today than they were in 100 AD; today, we may be asked to recite a few prayers in the Church, whereas back then, they would have been required to go around wearing sack-cloth and ashes, and not be allowed indoors, for seven years, or fourteen years, or twenty five years, depending on the severity of the sin confessed. They also abstained from meat on both Wednesdays and Fridays, rather than only on Fridays, and they fasted throughout the whole of Lent, rather than only on the first Wednesday and last Friday.

So, it was a sin back then to eat at all during Lent, whereas today it is no longer a sin to eat during Lent, except on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday - however, it is the same sin, which is the sin of disobedience to the current discipline.

I hope this helps you.

 

[jmcrae]

OK… Now we are making some process.

It is part you put in parenthesis that I am really trying to get at. In the old testament there were no successors.

Yes, there were. The sons of David were the Kings of Israel. That is succession. Jesus could be the Messiah because he was a son of David - without that heritage, He, even being God, could not have claimed any title unless he inherited it according to the laws of succession.

All of the offices of David’s household also took successors. Isaiah 22 is a perfect example of this.

 

[TheGreatestLove]

hum hum hum Well good day all ye who seek the storms and battles thereof.
Itiswritten- I liked that post.

I Was born a Roman Catholic- Although as i got older …I began to see much more than I wanted to. The more I am experiencing now the more I am becoming more unsure of the catholic religion.
Someone up there said to me on this forum-that it is ok in so many words to have riches -in reference to my earlier post of the vatican. But I know some people like to find a passage read part of it and say ‘See I am right’ Read the whole thing for God’s Sake!! and your own for that matter lol

I Speak on what i have seen and what I know and have learned. I am ashamed today to call my self a catholic…It is not the way of God. I wondered why God put me through so many trials and still now.( I told him to stop it) I said why are you allowing these people that claim their undying faith in you…to be so corrupt and deceptive. These last couple days have been challenging extemeley- because catholics in the school system - have condoned the ongoing abuse of a principle upon my youngest. They condemned me when the principle lied about everything she had done Which was Abuse.
I felt anxious before the meeting …I thought I can’t do it anymore Lord…its my child.
I prayed ’ Father give me strength’ Why should of I been afraid- to attend a meeting in a catholic school??? hummm They first blessed themselves-and prayed the hail Mary-although I joined i did not feel comfortable. I knew what was to come. The principle lied repeatedly …The Lord strengthened me…I spoke straightforward-and when i was angered I said she is lieing! I was shot down. I spoke of God…when the meeting became a voice of manipulation and deterred from the subject at hand. I addressed each one…stating when you allow this woman to remain in this school…you are condoning her behaviour and putting all these children in harms way.

I spoke of God…in middle of meeting …addressing the subject of principle and teach bullying in the catholic school…I was told inappropiate…I replied …Speaking of God in a christian school is inappropiate??? I then questioned their sincerety when praying the prayer before the meeting. I never seen people speak so quick…professing their sincerety!
I addressed the principle-I said do you feel your prayers are sincere??? She roughly and nervously said ‘I am a catholic’ yes my prayers are sincere,I am not worried’ …Today I thought why again Lord…'But I am beginning to realize that all the trials I have been put in is to open my eyes …to these things…sometimes I wish I had never known. But yet in my sorrow …Am Glad that I do.

I think they were. People can hide behind a deceptive cloak and claim themselves holy-they can use ‘I am professional’ -They can lie they can decieve they can boast…all in the name of God. But they cannot deny before God- when their day is up on earth…their sins. But I supose they think they just need to go into a confessional box-and all is forgiven. God says in the bible…to go to the person you have offended- For how can he forgive if one has not reconciled to the one they have harmed.

If you are not sincerely sorry for your sins people - they are not forgiven.
God Knows all and sees all-Who then can deceive Him???

I recieved an email from a man on here claiming his authority to know (he was catholic)
if someone was possessed or not…by writing in point form all his education within the vatican, so on and so forth. Wow …He then attempted to demeen me by stating what is your education? I said JESUS CHRIST.

boasting is a sign of insecurity- I wish to tell him to pray real hard…and ask for the mercy of our lord Jesus Christ- Because I sure don’t have any for him…Forgive me Lord…But your people have free will…and make their choices…I do not pity cruelty…

The only one that has authority is God.