I thought catholics ask saints to pray for them?

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we seem to be getting way off topic but is that book very catholic I was considering seeing that movie
Sorry, I did not realize it. Yes, the author is Matt Baglio. The book (and movie) is based on the real life experience of an american priest sent to Rome to train as an exorcist. Based on trailer, Anthony Hopkins is the mentor who helps train the american priest. The author was a fallen away catholic, and after his experience with the priest and exorcism, he became a devout one. You will learn a lot from the book, as I did. I am re-reading the book in time for the opening of the movie.
 
I love that book! I didn’t know they were making a movie out of it. I’ll have to look up the trailers.
Yes, I cannot wait for the movie version. I wonder how the opening of the book will be portrayed? There is the very proof of how saints help and intercede for us.
 
Anthony Hopkins? Oh yeah…I’m going…

Sorry to go off topic.:o
 
It’s comforting to know the Communion of Saints are there always for us. They help sustain me. Pope John Paul II will be a wonderful addition.

p.s. The Rite (book) has an updated version with how Fr.Thomas is doing with some of his cases.
 
It’s comforting to know the Communion of Saints are there always for us. They help sustain me. Pope John Paul II will be a wonderful addition.

p.s. The Rite (book) has an updated version with how Fr.Thomas is doing with some of his cases.
I just created a thread on The Rite its in the popular media section
 
See, this is what I don’t get. On this forum I keep hearing catholics say you ask saints to pray for you.
Yes, those in Heaven enjoy what theologians call the beatific vision - union with the Trinity

Since the passion and death of the Lord Jesus Christ, these souls have seen and see the divine essence with an intuitive vision and even face to face, without the mediation of any creature by way of object of vision; rather the divine essence immediately manifests itself to them, plainly, clearly and openly, and in this vision they enjoy the divine essence.(Benedictus Deus, Pope Bennedict XII, 1336)

The saints who are in Gods presence are more alive than we are. The book of Revelation shows these saints, alive in the presence of God, presenting the prayers of the faithful to God on his throne.

So why would we not pray to them, to ask them to pray for us?

-Tim-
 
how do you know that CNN told the truth maybe the person just asked for his intersession not really prayed to JPII

plus if you read revelations its clear that the saints have prayers that are brought to the alter so revelations back up saints intersessions or praying to them becuase all those prayers will go to Christ at his alter in heaven and ultimately to God becuase Jesus is the one mediator between God and man
So it is clear that in Rev that the 4 living creatures, 24 elders, and angels were in heaven and had the prayers of saints in a bowl. The word saints in the Bible implies believer (called out one), not one who has died and been declared a saint or such. There is no direct conclusion that these prayers were offered by people who had already died or not. That would be jumping to a conclusion. Paul addressed his Epistles to the saints in such and such place many times.

Romans 15:25
At present, however, I am going to Jerusalem bringing aid to the saints.

1 Corinthians 1:2
To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours

Matthew had to specify saints who had fallen asleep to so we would know they were believers who died. The word saints alone does cannot imply people who have passed.

Matthew 27:52
The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised,

Rev 5

7And he went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who was seated on the throne. 8And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Rev 8
3And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer, and he was given much incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne, 4and the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel. 5Then the angel took the censer and filled it with fire from the altar and threw it on the earth, and there were peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning, and an earthquake.

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So it is clear that in Rev that the 4 living creatures, 24 elders, and angels were in heaven and had the prayers of saints in a bowl. The word saints in the Bible implies believer (called out one), not one who has died and been declared a saint or such. There is no direct conclusion that these prayers were offered by people who had already died or not. That would be jumping to a conclusion. Paul addressed his Epistles to the saints in such and such place many times.

Romans 15:25
At present, however, I am going to Jerusalem bringing aid to the saints.

1 Corinthians 1:2
To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours

Matthew had to specify saints who had fallen asleep to so we would know they were believers who died. The word saints alone does cannot imply people who have passed.

Matthew 27:52
The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised,

Rev 5

7And he went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who was seated on the throne. 8And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Rev 8
3And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer, and he was given much incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne, 4and the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel. 5Then the angel took the censer and filled it with fire from the altar and threw it on the earth, and there were peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning, and an earthquake.

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So am I correct that we have progressed from CNN says that Catholics pray to Saints t oit is your personal interpretation of Scripture that we should not ask the dead to pray for us? Hopefully we have disposed of the assumption that Catholics pray to (rather than for the intercession of )Saints?
 
See, this is what I don’t get. On this forum I keep hearing catholics say you ask saints to pray for you.

CNN had this interesting article.

religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/05/john-paul-ii-could-move-toward-sainthood-this-year-report-says/?hpt=T2

Quote from the article

Wouldn’t the credit be given to God?

Acts 3:16
And his name—by faith in his name—has made this man strong whom you see and know, and the faith that is through Jesus has given the man this perfect health in the presence of you all.
Of course the credit goes back to God. Read the Bible, Peter and the other Apostles have healed many people. Its the same language as saying “Pope John Paul II healed…”. We don’t believe the power comes from Pope John Paul II as much as when we read the Bible we do not believe Peter healed by his own power.
 
How does John 14:6 play into this?

"Jesus answered, ‘I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.’ "

Doesn’t this mean that Jesus is the only intercessor or mediator, if you will, that we have between us and God?
 
John 14:6 at least to my current understanding is fairly irrelevant to the prospect of intercessory prayers directed to the saints. (saint = anyone in heaven not just those acclaimed as such on Earth)

To my understanding this passage (in the context of your question) means that Christ being the one sacrifice atoned for our sins, and thus through his sacrifice humanity before unable, can now achieve the beatific vision through the reparation of humanities sin undertaken by Christ. Thus ultimately only through Christ can anyone be saved because without Christ and his sacrifice and ressurection achieving the beatific vision is ordinarily impossible due to the perseverance of original sin.

Of course my explanation is not the best and im not quoting out of official church teaching, but perhaps if you look up the CCC (catechism of the catholic church), or the catholic encyclopedia maybe if your interested in the churches official teaching, or maybe go onto the apologetics thread or ask an apologist here on catholic answers for a more informed view on this particular passage.
 
How does John 14:6 play into this?

"Jesus answered, ‘I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.’ "

Doesn’t this mean that Jesus is the only intercessor or mediator, if you will, that we have between us and God?
No. The only way one can come to that conclusion is if they ignore the rest of Scripture and 2000 years of faith and tradition.

This is the problem inherent with grabbing random verses of Scripture, attaching one’s own personal interpretation to them and arriving at profound theological conclusions based on it.
 
So am I correct that we have progressed from CNN says that Catholics pray to Saints t oit is your personal interpretation of Scripture that we should not ask the dead to pray for us? Hopefully we have disposed of the assumption that Catholics pray to (rather than for the intercession of )Saints?
We do pray to saints.

The problem is that Protestants keep insisting that prayer = worship. That is wrong. Prayer doesn’t always mean worship. We pray to saints to pray for us to God.
 
Why do you pray to different Saints for certain things?
Like pray to St. so n so he’s the St. for that.
My mom always told me to pray to this St. if you need help with this or pray to that St. if you need help with that.
Why are there different St. for different things?
 
We do pray to saints.

The problem is that Protestants keep insisting that prayer = worship. That is wrong. Prayer doesn’t always mean worship. We pray to saints to pray for us to God.
Why not pray to God instead of going through a Saint?
 
Because saints are in heaven and thus are closer to God than us.

Lets look at the wedding of cana for example. Jesus was not going to change the water into wine, but mary interceeded for the good of the host of the wedding and jesus decided based on her intercession and out of love of her to enact his first miracle.

Thus likewise we ask the saints to pray for and with us considering they are in the same position of closeness with God as Mary was with Jesus at cana. also its good to have people pray for you, its the same as asking friends to pray for you and the saints are very good friends:).
 
Why not pray to God instead of going through a Saint?
Because we belong to a Church, the body of Christ. We are interconnected to one another in Communion. As we all pray to God, we also pray for one another, from this life and the next.
 
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