I thought I was saying the LOTH correctly but

[CathMass]

Well, I thought I was saying the LOTH correctly for memorials until I read the general outline in my new four volume. Prior to me getting the four volume, (used Christian Prayer) for memorials of saints, I always thought one would get the antiphons from the common and use them with the weekday psalter. However, I read that one uses all the antiphons from the weekdays with the psalms for memorials.

Anyway, I’m a bit confused so any quick clear answers would be helpful. Thanks.

 

[AJV]

Yes, you have to say the weekday psalms with their own antiphons, not the ones from the Common, on memorials.

The antiphons for the psalms always “match” the psalm. Thus if you are using the weekday psalms, you will use their accompanying antiphons.

If you use antiphons that are Proper to the feast, or from the Common of Saints, then you would use either psalms from the Proper (which would be indicated under the feastday) or from the Common.

Just as an aside: the antiphons for the psalms are distinct from the Antiphons for the Invitatory and the Gospel Canticles (Zechariah/Mary) for which, on memorials, you can use the Common or the weekday, at your choice*.

*assuming of course, that there are no special Proper ones given…which is rare for memorials.

 

[tee_eff_em]

Well, I thought I was saying the LOTH correctly for memorials until I read the general outline in my new four volume. Prior to me getting the four volume, (used Christian Prayer) for memorials of saints,

I always thought one would get the antiphons from the common and use them with the weekday psalter

. However, I read that one uses all the antiphons from the weekdays with the psalms for memorials.

Anyway, I’m a bit confused so any quick clear answers would be helpful. Thanks.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but: How did you come to that habit when you used Christian Prayer? What instruction in the 4-volume, not appearing in Christian Prayer, has enlightened you?

That is: Did you read the introductory materials to Christian Prayer?

tee

 

[porthos11]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but: How did you come to that habit when you used Christian Prayer? What instruction in the 4-volume, not appearing in Christian Prayer, has enlightened you?

That is: Did you read the introductory materials to Christian Prayer?

tee

Kinda with you there, since although the General Instruction is abridged in Christian Prayer, the Ordinary is exactly the same as in the 4-volume, and the rubrics spell out there, clear as day, that the psalms and antiphons for Memorials are to be taken from the weekday, unless proper.

 

[SenorSalsa]

Yes, you have to say the weekday psalms with their own antiphons, not the ones from the Common, on memorials.

The antiphons for the psalms always “match” the psalm. Thus if you are using the weekday psalms, you will use their accompanying antiphons.

not necessarily. Today for example, as a Feast, the antiphons came from the Proper of the day, while the psalms came from Sunday Week I.

But yes for memorials, the way it is done, at least here–I assume its right, as it is lead by priests–is to take the Psalms from the weekday(ex. monday week III), then the reading and all that follows from the commons and the propers, with the propers trumping the commons.

Sometimes the propers only has an ending prayer, sometimes it also has a Cantical antiphon, etc.

 

[AJV]

not necessarily. Today for example, as a Feast, the antiphons came from the Proper of the day, while the psalms came from Sunday Week I.

The psalms of Sundya Week I are sort of apart form the usual weekday psalms. That is because (as indicated in the Commons for example) the psalms of Sunday Week 1 are the “festal” Morning Prayer psalms analogous to using special psalms for Evening Prayer from the Common or Proper.

 

[porthos11]

not necessarily. Today for example, as a Feast, the antiphons came from the Proper of the day, while the psalms came from Sunday Week I.

But yes for memorials, the way it is done, at least here–I assume its right, as it is lead by priests–is to take the Psalms from the weekday(ex. monday week III), then the reading and all that follows from the commons and the propers, with the propers trumping the commons.

Sometimes the propers only has an ending prayer, sometimes it also has a Cantical antiphon, etc.

For Memorials, we have the option of taking everything from the weekday and Proper. That means, reading, responsory, antiphon for the Gospel canticle and intercessions may be taken from the weekday as well, at one’s choice.

(The Ordinary does state that the Benedictus/Magnificat antiphon is taken from the Common unless Proper, but the General Instruction also gives the weekday option, so it’s licit).

 

[Timothy_Capps]

What is the difference between a Feast and Memorial? Why would you use the psalms and canticles from the weekday for the latter, but not for the former? Why does St. Blase have a Feast, and St. Agatha a Memorial?

 

[SenorSalsa]

What is the difference between a Feast and Memorial? Why would you use the psalms and canticles from the weekday for the latter, but not for the former? Why does St. Blase have a Feast, and St. Agatha a Memorial?

a feast is basically for a more important saint. there are three levels, now called Solemnities, Feasts, and Memorials(they used to be called 1st 2nd and 3rd class feasts).

Blase is actually not a Feast. Assuming you are looking at the Calendar in the LOTH, the Feast is for the Presentation of the Lord, while Blase, being in italics, is an optional memorial, which is a memorial you do not need to celebrate, while a day that says memorial, like St. Agatha, would be an obligatory memorial, one which you do have to celebrate

I have often found optional memorials only come with a closing prayer, while obligatory often have the canticle antiphon as well

 

[Joe_Kelley]

What is the difference between a Feast and Memorial? Why would you use the psalms and canticles from the weekday for the latter, but not for the former? Why does St. Blase have a Feast, and St. Agatha a Memorial?

Celebrated days are designated Solemnities, Feasts, Memorials or Optional Memorials in decreasing order of celebration. The designation affects both the LOTH and the Mass for the day. Note for example that Solemnities have both the Creed and the Gloria in the mass; Feasts only the Gloria; Memorials and Optional Memorials have neither.