I used to be a Mormon -- now I'm Catholic

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I have a question for those who have posted to this topic. This is a serious question, I’m not looking for excuses to bash anyone. I am looking for information.

There is a member of CAF who claims to be a Catholic Mormon, or perhaps I should say a Mormon Catholic (I’m not sure the order of the words has any significance… ) My understanding is that, due to the profound differences between the two faiths, a person could never TRULY be some sort of hybrid of the two faiths, nor could they be both Mormon and Catholic at the same time.

But perhaps I am wrong and that is why I am asking for information.

For me, the departure of Mormonism from Catholicism begins with the understanding of what Mormons call “the Godhead” and what Catholics call “the Trinity”. Mormons believe that God (who they call “Heavenly Father”), Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are 3 separate “personages”. Mormons believe that God and Jesus both have physical bodies and, as such, are distinct from one another (and they also believe that their founder Joseph Smith actually saw both of them together, pretty much confirming this view) but the three “personages” are “one in purpose” and compose some version of a Mormon “trinity”. The word “trinity” is seldom used by Mormons but it is not unknown.

The above description departs from our understanding of God/the Trinity in a number of ways. Because of that, while I do not get into the argument of whether or not Mormons are Christians as some do, I have always understood, very clearly, that at the very least, Mormonism and Catholicism were utterly incompatible and a person could not claim to be both Mormon and Catholic without betraying one or both faiths.

The person that claims to be a Mormon Catholic (or a Catholic Mormon) feels that they “experience God” in both church buildings ~ both Mormon & Catholic ~ and, while they, at least currently, sustain a belief in the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon, they feel more comfortable, at least NOW, going to Mass.

I am at a loss as to how to understand this. My thinking is that a person can be one or the other ~ you can be Mormon or you can be Catholic ~ but not both at the same time. I shudder to think of the consequences of a “Mormon Catholic” accepting the Eucharist in a Catholic Church. Do they do so, with a belief in the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon, to their own damnation?

But maybe I’m wrong? Anyway, that’s why I am asking the question.

Zerinus, this isn’t a question for you. 🙂
 
I have a question for those who have posted to this topic. This is a serious question, I’m not looking for excuses to bash anyone. I am looking for information.

There is a member of CAF who claims to be a Catholic Mormon, or perhaps I should say a Mormon Catholic (I’m not sure the order of the words has any significance… ) My understanding is that, due to the profound differences between the two faiths, a person could never TRULY be some sort of hybrid of the two faiths, nor could they be both Mormon and Catholic at the same time.

But perhaps I am wrong and that is why I am asking for information.

For me, the departure of Mormonism from Catholicism begins with the understanding of what Mormons call “the Godhead” and what Catholics call “the Trinity”. Mormons believe that God (who they call “Heavenly Father”), Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are 3 separate “personages”. Mormons believe that God and Jesus both have physical bodies and, as such, are distinct from one another (and they also believe that their founder Joseph Smith actually saw both of them together, pretty much confirming this view) but the three “personages” are “one in purpose” and compose some version of a Mormon “trinity”. The word “trinity” is seldom used by Mormons but it is not unknown.

The above description departs from our understanding of God/the Trinity in a number of ways. Because of that, while I do not get into the argument of whether or not Mormons are Christians as some do, I have always understood, very clearly, that at the very least, Mormonism and Catholicism were utterly incompatible and a person could not claim to be both Mormon and Catholic without betraying one or both faiths.

The person that claims to be a Mormon Catholic (or a Catholic Mormon) feels that they “experience God” in both church buildings ~ both Mormon & Catholic ~ and, while they, at least currently, sustain a belief in the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon, they feel more comfortable, at least NOW, going to Mass.

I am at a loss as to how to understand this. My thinking is that a person can be one or the other ~ you can be Mormon or you can be Catholic ~ but not both at the same time. I shudder to think of the consequences of a “Mormon Catholic” accepting the Eucharist in a Catholic Church. Do they do so, with a belief in the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon, to their own damnation?

But maybe I’m wrong? Anyway, that’s why I am asking the question.

Zerinus, this isn’t a question for you. 🙂
The reason that person feels more comfortable going to mass is that truth is found there. It is impossible not to see the truth of the mass if you begin to attend regularly. The fact that that person feels more comfortable at mass should be enough to tell that person the Book of Mormon is false. I suppose there might be social reasons which might keep a person attending the Mormon Church, but the presence of Jesus is found in a Catholic Church, not in a Mormon Church. Having attended both I can testify that Jesus’ presence is strong in a Catholic Church if one is open to Him. The Mormon Church service is more of a social gathering.
 
I love this answer.

:heaven: :harp:
The Lord works in mysterious ways to bring us to Him. I certainly wasn’t thinking about becoming Catholic when I attended that mass, but it just drew me into Catholicism in a powerful way. I realized there was something more to be found in Catholicism which just wasn’t present in Mormonism. It has been a wonderful journey, and I’m so in love with the mass and the other sacraments in the Catholic Church. There was a lot of social pressure from my family and the members in my ward to stay Mormon. My wife and kids are still Mormon, but I pray daily they will learn the truth! I’m afraid they aren’t willing to sacrifice the relationships they have in the LDS Church – they think that even if it’s not true that God will still accept them because of the lives they lead. But they claim to be true Mormon believers, and are unwilling to have anything to do with the Catholic Church. I realized just how much they are missing as I attended the Easter Vigil this year – I am truly in love with Jesus as I find Him in our Catholic Church.
 
I too am the only Catholic in my family. My wife and kids are Mormon and go to church every Sunday. I pray every day that the Holy Spirit will help my wife come to believe and join me in Christ’s church. Our boys are still young, so where she goes, they go. That is also the special intention I make every day at mass, when I’m able to attend.

Regarding the Catholic/Mormon poster, Catholicism and Mormonism contradict each other fundamentally. It seems as if all s/he cares about is the experiential side of things and feels close to God in both places. But s/he is completely ignoring (or doesn’t care about) the philosophical and theological aspect. Our axioms and philosophical assumptions are the foundation for everything we do and the only way this person can believe in both Catholicism and Mormonism is if s/he completely ignores that foundation. But that means s/he is not really interested in truth, per se, since truth includes philosophical truths. Being only partially interested in truth means you’re only partially interested in God, since God is Truth.

NS
 
I too am the only Catholic in my family. My wife and kids are Mormon and go to church every Sunday. I pray every day that the Holy Spirit will help my wife come to believe and join me in Christ’s church. Our boys are still young, so where she goes, they go. That is also the special intention I make every day at mass, when I’m able to attend.

Regarding the Catholic/Mormon poster, Catholicism and Mormonism contradict each other fundamentally. It seems as if all s/he cares about is the experiential side of things and feels close to God in both places. But s/he is completely ignoring (or doesn’t care about) the philosophical and theological aspect. Our axioms and philosophical assumptions are the foundation for everything we do and the only way this person can believe in both Catholicism and Mormonism is if s/he completely ignores that foundation. But that means s/he is not really interested in truth, per se, since truth includes philosophical truths. Being only partially interested in truth means you’re only partially interested in God, since God is Truth.

NS
I agree with that assessment. My thinking is that if you claim to be both Mormon and Catholic you demonstrate that you do not understand either faith. The person who claims to be both faiths dismisses this sort of thinking as “dogmatic”.

Somehow I doubt that either the Mormon Bishop or the Catholic Pastor in this situation know anything about this effort to straddle the fence between two faiths. And I have to wonder about the effect of accepting the Holy Eucharist under these circumstances. How can one accept the Body of Blood of Jesus while still believing in the “truthfulness” of the Book of Mormon?
 
I agree with that assessment. My thinking is that if you claim to be both Mormon and Catholic you demonstrate that you do not understand either faith. The person who claims to be both faiths dismisses this sort of thinking as “dogmatic”.
That is the hallmark of modern, post-Enlightenment thought. “There is no truth except what is true to me and if I believe it then it’s true. If you tell me I’m wrong, then you’re a dogmatist.” This is relativism. The only way both Catholicism and Mormonism could both be “true” is if there is no such thing as objective truth, since both faiths contradict each other at the philosophical level. It’s ironic that such relativism has come to permeate the thinking of many who go to church. Why go to church if there is no such thing as Truth with a capital ‘t’?
Somehow I doubt that either the Mormon Bishop or the Catholic Pastor in this situation know anything about this effort to straddle the fence between two faiths. And I have to wonder about the effect of accepting the Holy Eucharist under these circumstances. How can one accept the Body of Blood of Jesus while still believing in the “truthfulness” of the Book of Mormon?
I agree. Both the bishop and the priest will think this person’s effort to straddle the fence is inappropriate. But, the response will be: “it doesn’t matter; that’s my belief and I’ll remain both a Catholic and a Mormon.” Again, this is the same thing as saying there is no such thing as Truth. What’s to stop this person from believing whatever he or she wants and still calling him/herself a Catholic/Mormon? I once read an interview with a Catholic who had been excommunicated for participating in the ordination of some women to the priesthood, and this person said (paraphrasing) “I don’t care what the Pope says. I’ll go to Mass and take communion. I don’t recognize his authority over me.” That just boggles the mind. Just like this person, the Catholic/Mormon poster in this forum is making up his or her own truth and doesn’t care about the religious tenets of the faith s/he practices. S/he only cares about the tenets s/he agrees with. Such people edit the Truth to create little truths that they feel comfortable with, but the only way they can do that is if they don’t believe objective Truth exists, or ignore it altogether. Such people think that the Catholic Church doesn’t get to create a standard to determine who is truly Catholic and that the Mormon Church doesn’t get to create a standard to determine who is truly Mormon. Such people don’t believe in objective standards and are therefore relativists. But the fact is, Truth is not relative. It is real and we must submit to it (which requires an authority to tell us what it is). We don’t get make it up ourselves. That is the practical result of the Protestant Reformation - the destruction of Absolute Truth, since each individual is now a little truth-maker. All you need to do is make up whatever religious system you like and say that the Spirit guided you to it and that it suits you. If someone disagrees and points to an authority, that person is accused of being a dogmatist. That is exactly what the Catholic/Mormon poster has done with his/her own spiritual practice. It’s ironic that so many Catholics and Mormons have fallen into this trap, since the basic claim of each faith is that it contains the only Truth - given to it directly by God. The only way you can justifiably think that both are true is if there there is no such thing as Truth and that the Church is lying when it says God gave them that Truth.

NS
 
NS, I worry about the person that is doing this, I truly do. I worry that in accepting the Eucharist they may be taking damnation upon themselves. It would probably not occur to a relativist to bring this sort of thing up in a confessional because they would not believe they are doing anything that they need to discuss with a priest. But can one truly be in a state of grace under such circumstances? I am concerned that the answer is “no”. That’s why I worry.
 
I agree with that assessment. My thinking is that if you claim to be both Mormon and Catholic you demonstrate that you do not understand either faith. The person who claims to be both faiths dismisses this sort of thinking as “dogmatic”.

Somehow I doubt that either the Mormon Bishop or the Catholic Pastor in this situation know anything about this effort to straddle the fence between two faiths. And I have to wonder about the effect of accepting the Holy Eucharist under these circumstances. How can one accept the Body of Blood of Jesus while still believing in the “truthfulness” of the Book of Mormon?
It is not any different than other syncretic beliefs and pseudo-religious practices, such as Santaria. Only, it is being done inside of our churches.
 
NS, I worry about the person that is doing this, I truly do. I worry that in accepting the Eucharist they may be taking damnation upon themselves. It would probably not occur to a relativist to bring this sort of thing up in a confessional because they would not believe they are doing anything that they need to discuss with a priest. But can one truly be in a state of grace under such circumstances? I am concerned that the answer is “no”. That’s why I worry.
I was on another thread, and it is clear that Mormons do attend Catholic Church, especially on holy days like Christmas in SLC. This is because they do not have a liturgical year, so they do not have Mormon church service on Christmas unless if falls on a Sunday. I don’t know if they partake of the Catholic eurcharist though.
 
The reason that person feels more comfortable going to mass is that truth is found there. It is impossible not to see the truth of the mass if you begin to attend regularly. The fact that that person feels more comfortable at mass should be enough to tell that person the Book of Mormon is false.
As a Catholic who has strong feelings about the mass and the Eucharist, I must disagree. Feelings alone are not a proper basis for ascertaining the truth of a religion. That is why I reject the “burning of the bosom” notion presented by the LDS Church about reading the Book of Mormon. I had strong feelings about Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings trilogy when I finished it as a child, but that does not mean the novels were true.
Catholic200064:
I suppose there might be social reasons which might keep a person attending the Mormon Church, but the presence of Jesus is found in a Catholic Church, not in a Mormon Church. Having attended both I can testify that Jesus’ presence is strong in a Catholic Church if one is open to Him. The Mormon Church service is more of a social gathering.
I agree that there may be social reasons keeping persons in the LDS Church. There are social reasons that keep men and women Catholic too. Again, these sort of external pressures and their related emotions are not the proper measure for determining truth. Faith and Reason together are the tools for ascertaining truth - and sometimes these tools work despite what our “feelings” on the matter may be. I have heard many many conversion stories about protestant ministers who felt reluctant to leave their pulpits and their positions and their careers to return to the Catholic Church. It was only after years of study and prayer and a strong life lived in faith that they made the decision. They knew the truth despite what their feelings were telling them. And most of them are grateful for the real relationship with Jesus that they obtained as a protestant, and their love of scripture as well.

Perhap with our LDS brothers and sisters, they are gaining some truths about Jesus and His love and of what it means to follow Christ in their Church, although their doctrines do differ wildly from what is seen by the rest of Christianity as orthodox. But we cannot simply dismiss what little there is that is true in their doctrines. They believe in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit (although their understanding is not entirely correct) And they believe in a real (not “invisible”) Church founded by Jesus Christ, although they have not identified it correctly. Perhaps the Holy Spirit will use this “less than fullness” experienced in the LDS Church as a stepping stone for some, as a way to pave the road to the fullness of His Church, much as I believe the HS can use Protestant churches as a way to lead His followers home

Peace,
-Robert
 
NS, I worry about the person that is doing this, I truly do. I worry that in accepting the Eucharist they may be taking damnation upon themselves. It would probably not occur to a relativist to bring this sort of thing up in a confessional because they would not believe they are doing anything that they need to discuss with a priest. But can one truly be in a state of grace under such circumstances? I am concerned that the answer is “no”. That’s why I worry.
Do you know whether s/he believes in the Real Presence? If that’s your belief, how could you take the Mormon sacrament (especially when you’re expressly forbidden from doing so as a baptized Catholic)? For this reason, it does seem that if s/he believes in the Real Presence that s/he could be in jeopardy by receiving communion. If s/he doesn’t believe in the Real Presence and takes communion anyway, than that too seems dangerous. The same can be said for any Catholic who accepts the Eucharist without accepting this most basic belief of Catholicism. So yea, I think you have a valid concern.

NS
 
I was on another thread, and it is clear that Mormons do attend Catholic Church, especially on holy days like Christmas in SLC. This is because they do not have a liturgical year, so they do not have Mormon church service on Christmas unless if falls on a Sunday. I don’t know if they partake of the Catholic eurcharist though.
🤷 Some may or may not. I now a convert from LDS who went up for communion for 8 or 9 years. He joined RCIA and stopped going up for Communion until he was baptized.
 
Do you know whether s/he believes in the Real Presence? If that’s your belief, how could you take the Mormon sacrament (especially when you’re expressly forbidden from doing so as a baptized Catholic)? For this reason, it does seem that if s/he believes in the Real Presence that s/he could be in jeopardy by receiving communion. If s/he doesn’t believe in the Real Presence and takes communion anyway, than that too seems dangerous. The same can be said for any Catholic who accepts the Eucharist without accepting this most basic belief of Catholicism. So yea, I think you have a valid concern.

NS
I have this mental picture of going up for Communion while wearing LDS temple garments. :eek:
 
Do you know whether s/he believes in the Real Presence? If that’s your belief, how could you take the Mormon sacrament (especially when you’re expressly forbidden from doing so as a baptized Catholic)? For this reason, it does seem that if s/he believes in the Real Presence that s/he could be in jeopardy by receiving communion. If s/he doesn’t believe in the Real Presence and takes communion anyway, than that too seems dangerous. The same can be said for any Catholic who accepts the Eucharist without accepting this most basic belief of Catholicism. So yea, I think you have a valid concern.

NS
I don’t what the precise beliefs are for this person. I would venture a guess that if asked directly, you’d get a very nebulous answer (you can bet it wouldn’t be dogmatic! 😃 ) The concerns of the person in question seem to center around whether the faiths are spiritually uplifting, whether the people that follow the faiths are good people, whether the Spirit of God is “felt” at the services of each faith. Sounds all “touchy/feely” and “warm/fuzzy” to me, and little if any focus on the sacrifice of Jesus and His command to particpate in the Holy Eucharist.

The Mormon/Catholic was raised Catholic, changed to Mormon at around the age of 18, has raised children as Mormon, but attends Mass themselves & goes to LDS meetings sometimes too. While claiming to be Catholic, this person also confirms the truthfulness of Mormonism. It really boggles the mind to think about anyone accepting the Holy Eucharist under such conditions.
 
Wow, thank you for sharing your story with us. This really touched me.
I love hearing stories about how people became Catholic.
God bless, as Jesus has led you to the truth, may it continue to grow in you.
 
I have this mental picture of going up for Communion while wearing LDS temple garments. :eek:
LOL! You know, I’m sure it happens, especially at Midnight Mass. I suppose for them 2+2 really does equal 1,052,006. :doh2:
 
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