I want to help stop abortion

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I often feel I am not getting through to those I talk to about abortion. Does anyone else feel the same? It seems people just don’t care. The other day at work there was a newspaper in the breakroom and the headline irritated me; and a person I often discuss issues with was there and I made a comment about my feelings on a presidental canidate’s stance on abortion. We had talked about abortion before and over time I have gotten him to see that it’s wrong, but he said that’s just an issue. I told him if we don’t have life what other issue matters. I know he is going to vote on other issue.

It seems as though even when people know abortion is wrong they are not willing to do anything about it.

What’s wrong with the world?
the other day I read GK Chesterson answered: I am.
this has got me thinking. What do I do to end abortion. I pray; when the conversation with others come anywhere near the santity of life, I comment that I am prolife and I give them one of the reason I am; I’ve been to Prolife March in Washington [only once sad to say- I desperately want to go again], and ever year I attend the night of prayer to end abortion.
But is this enough.?.

I just can not believe we allow abortion. Why doesn’t america wake up. When will she wake up. We live in a great land, how can this be legal. How is it that so many think this is a good thing. And how can those who know it’s wrong continue to support those who vote for it. Why don’t people care enough?

Anyways, I was fustrated as I have been many times in the past. And when I was checking my email, I received one of those “chain email” *. So I made one on Vote prolife. Do I send it?

I plan on responding to this thread with the e-mail. Tell me what you think, and will you send it, or make your own and send it.

I know that the images are controversal. And this causes me to hesitate.

What do you think?*
 
I wanted to copy and paste the email here, but I can not.

If anyone would like to see it I could email it to them. Then let me know what you think?
 
Abortion is allowed because people aren’t really thinking objectively. Also facts escape people especially when facts are not presented in the proper context. Today we think ‘how could anyone have supported slavery?’ or ‘how could anyone have supported extermination of Jews and Catholics in Germany?’ or ‘how could anyone stand by while their king is beheaded?’. We are viewing these occurrences in hindsight and with historical perspective. But we don’t understand the culture of the day or how facts are distorted with propaganda or even hiding facts.

The other influence is Satanic - there is a being who truly hates us and desires our extermination because we are destined to take his place in heaven. This doesn’t excuse the exercise of our free will but it is important to understand all the influences in play when it comes to perpetrating human suffering or murder.

This same environment is recurring with abortion. Hopefully in the future, people will recognize the facts in perspective and announce “what were we thinking to kill a baby in the womb?” You’ve heard the saying “gee, it sounded like a good idea at the time!”

We tend to measure others by our own personal yardsticks and not understand their influences and beliefs, and how they were brought up. Some people have never heard the truth, and don’t recognize it when they do hear it. So patience and kindness is in order when you think you can change another’s behavior.

I find that plain statements unemotionally made using indisputable facts are the most effective. Also you rarely see the effect of your statements then and there. People frequently need time to digest certain ideas, especially if these ideas run contrary to popular belief [or beliefs that are promoted as popular]. Nobody wants to be excluded from ‘the group’ - this peer pressure is powerful.

It can take days or years, even decades for a person to “hear” you. And the other thing, don’t underestimate who is watching. Oftentimes those most affected by your words or actions never let on. Sometimes you never know the effect you have had.

You may find better advice on the Life websites. Those there have great experience and perspective to know what works. Why not ask them? Perhaps you will find they have a more effective email for you to send.

You may be aware of these sites already:
priestsforlife.org/
lifesitenews.com/

Frequently when people are shocked and horrified, they respond poorly to the emotion it causes, and get riled by that. And then they totally miss the message you intend. This goes for loud argumentative behaviors as well as grotesque pictures. You have to know your audience and the true value of what you intend to convey in conversations and in emails. Making people mad can harden their hearts for a long time, even to messages from other sources.

God Bless you in your loving efforts!
 
Tina_in_Ashburn said:
Abortion is allowed because people aren’t really thinking objectively. Also facts escape people especially when facts are not presented in the proper context. Today we think ‘how could anyone have supported slavery?’ or ‘how could anyone have supported extermination of Jews and Catholics in Germany?’ or ‘how could anyone stand by while their king is beheaded?’. We are viewing these occurrences in hindsight and with historical perspective. But we don’t understand the culture of the day or how facts are distorted with propaganda or even hiding facts.

The other influence is Satanic - there is a being who truly hates us and desires our extermination because we are destined to take his place in heaven. This doesn’t excuse the exercise of our free will but it is important to understand all the influences in play when it comes to perpetrating human suffering or murder.

This same environment is recurring with abortion. Hopefully in the future, people will recognize the facts in perspective and announce “what were we thinking to kill a baby in the womb?” You’ve heard the saying “gee, it sounded like a good idea at the time!”

We tend to measure others by our own personal yardsticks and not understand their influences and beliefs, and how they were brought up. Some people have never heard the truth, and don’t recognize it when they do hear it. So patience and kindness is in order when you think you can change another’s behavior.

I find that plain statements unemotionally made using indisputable facts are the most effective. Also you rarely see the effect of your statements then and there. People frequently need time to digest certain ideas, especially if these ideas run contrary to popular belief [or beliefs that are promoted as popular]. Nobody wants to be excluded from ‘the group’ - this peer pressure is powerful.

It can take days or years, even decades for a person to “hear” you. And the other thing, don’t underestimate who is watching. Oftentimes those most affected by your words or actions never let on. Sometimes you never know the effect you have had.

You may find better advice on the Life websites. Those there have great experience and perspective to know what works. Why not ask them? Perhaps you will find they have a more effective email for you to send.

You may be aware of these sites already:
priestsforlife.org/
lifesitenews.com/

Frequently when people are shocked and horrified, they respond poorly to the emotion it causes, and get riled by that. And then they totally miss the message you intend. This goes for loud argumentative behaviors as well as grotesque pictures. You have to know your audience and the true value of what you intend to convey in conversations and in emails. Making people mad can harden their hearts for a long time, even to messages from other sources.

God Bless you in your loving efforts!
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Thank you Tina.

I really needed to hear that, and I agree with you.

I have found it difficult lately to be calm, when I speak about abortion. It’s not that I yell, it’s just I’m overly impassioned. I feel like I’m not being heard or listened to. I’m known as a Catholic, or a religious person and I feel like people mostly discount what I say. But you are right. Even still I’ve said it and maybe they’ve heard it deep inside and one day they will understand.

You are right about the images. Thank you, for reminding of what I already knew, but had forgotten.

God bless you.
 
Glad it helped. Don’t give up. Find a way to express your enthusiasm for the subject. Maybe there is a pro-life group in the area with which you can work. My sister-in-law has worked with a pro-life group for years in the Atlanta area, for instance. Its not a Catholic group but she gets along well with them and they all learn from each other the effective ways to counsel those in ‘trouble’.

Sometimes emotions can cause good effect. We just have to be judicious and calm most of the time.
 
I think that working with a group would probably be a great idea for you.

One thing I do when discussing this issue is to try to get the other person to see that life begins at conception, by asking at what point he or she thinks life begins, and then working backwards. or starting off by saying, do you think it’s all right to kill a baby the day of his or her due date? and working backwards.

Also, a lot of pro-abortion people ahve been fed this line that pro-life people are really mean to single mothers and don’t do anything to help them out, etc.

And people who are really pro-abortion, not just never-really-thought-about-it–types, they will take your words and twist them, they will lie, everything. Seriously sick people.
 
Very good post. Those graphic pictures can really help – they do change minds and have helped to save the lives of children (that’s a remarkable thing to say - our efforts actually save lives of people who would not be living today).

For some people, abortion is like something sacred. They want to be able to have legalized abortion so badly that they can’t even think about what it really means.

Other people don’t care because it’s too painful to really think about what our country is doing.

It’s also a spiritual blindness. For people who do not pray or never reflect on God or the nature of life – abortion is something they can ignore. It’s “invisible” to them. When we pray, we can see the invisible things of life. For us, it’s so blatantly obvious how horrible abortion is, because we can see it in prayer, through the grace of God also.

Abortion is a symptom of our very sick society.

Consider joining the 40 Days for Life campaign that is going on around the country. It will start in September and end just before the election. That’s a powerful campaign that saves many babies from death – through peaceful prayer in front of abortion clinics for 40 days.
 
I have decided to show the email I spoke of without the pictures. I have written a brief description of the images.

I agree with Tina; that these images sent to the wrong person could do more harm then good.

I also would like to note that I try to give the reader a chance to not look at the images, by having text first. The images that do not appear here start off unbloody, and has a gradual advance. I was well aware that I did not want to cause pain, but I wanted to show the truth. I am deeply sensitive to those who have had an abortion, or helped someone get an abortion, and I beleive that these images may be to much of a shock, if they were used to hurt and not to help.

Here is what the email looks like.

WARNING

THESE IMAGES ARE NOT FOR CHILDREN!!!

WARNING

THESE IMAGES ARE OF WHAT MANY PEOPLE SUPPORT

—BUT HAVE NEVER SEEN!!!
WARNING
THESE IMAGES ARE WHAT SOME SAY
IS JUST ANOTHER ISSUE LIKE HIGH GAS PRICES OR HEALTH CARE!!!
WARNING
THESE IMAGES SHOW THE TRUTH,
THAT SOME ARE UNWILLING TO LOOK AT.
WARNING
THESE IMAGES SHOULD CHANGE YOUR HEART FOREVER,
BUT SOME ARE UNTOUCHED BY THEM!!!

[there are three pictures here]
😦 [the first one is just the view of two tiny feet]
[the second is a view of an arm]😦
😦 [the third is several parts of a baby laid out like pieces of a puzzle being put back together again]

Some say
this is a woman’s right.
😦 [here, there is a picture of two baby arms around a dime]

Some say
it’s my body, I can do what I want with it.

😦 [here is a picture of a baby who’s head appears to be missing and this baby also has a gash in her/his side]

Some say
fetuses are not babies.

😦 [in this picture there are two tiny babies. They are two different sizes, but it’s clear they are babies]

What do you say?

😦 [this image shows a baby that looks as if she or he will open her/his eyes shortly and suck their thumb, but no she or he is dead and you see the dark marks on the arm]

What will you do?

😦 [this is the last image, which shows a baby cradled in someone’s hands -she or he is that small- She too looks like she’s sleeping, but her back and legs are all blackened]

Vote Pro life.
Some evil exists in the world, because we allow it to exist.
Stop this evil.
 
I want to thank everyone so far who has responded. And encourage anyone else who has an idea or comment to please post it.
One thing I do when discussing this issue is to try to get the other person to see that life begins at conception, by asking at what point he or she thinks life begins, and then working backwards. or starting off by saying, do you think it’s all right to kill a baby the day of his or her due date? and working backwards.
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Great idea St. Francis
It’s also a spiritual blindness. For people who do not pray or never reflect on God or the nature of life – abortion is something they can ignore. It’s “invisible” to them. When we pray, we can see the invisible things of life. For us, it’s so blatantly obvious how horrible abortion is, because we can see it in prayer, through the grace of God also.

Abortion is a symptom of our very sick society.
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Reggie, this is so true maybe the sickness our society is suffering is a spiritual one, and abortion is a symptom, maybe removing God from our society is another symptom. Maybe the cause is that for many Americans God is no longer important. I used to say that America will change when the hearts of Americans change.

For those who suggest that I join a Pro life group. I’ve often thought of it.

I thank God there are no Abortion Clinics even near me. I think there is only one in my state. The closest one to me is in Pittsburg, which is about 45 minutes away.

God Bless
 
i absolutely think abortion is wrong. it breaks my heart and it breaks God’s heart to see 3,500 babies die each day in America…but i also believe that we can’t blame abortion clinics and we can’t blame the mothers…really we have ourselves to blame for allowing this horrible thing to come into America…its time for America to turn back to God…it is essential that we repent and run back to Him with all of our hearts that we rend our hearts and not our garments…we need to come with fasting and weeping and mourning…He is returning…He will bring restoration to the mothers and to the doctors…He will open their eyes to the reality of over 50 million dead babies…and they will be brought into His Kingdom mindset…but we must pray for this nation to turn back to God…He is calling us back…God doesn’t need a protest to end abortion…He needs a prayer meeting…Jssus, I plead Your blood over my sins and the sins of my nation. God, end abortion and send revival to America
 
crazy4Christ said:
God doesn’t need a protest to end abortion…He needs a prayer meeting…Jssus, I plead Your blood over my sins and the sins of my nation. God, end abortion and send revival to America
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I absolutely agree to end abortion will take prayer.👍
But I also think education is needed. I was thinking about what Jesus did, Jesus certainly prayed and he prayed alot, but he also taught. He spread his message. Without prayer there is little chance abortion will end, but education is needed too.

God Bless you Crazy4Christ, and keep praying and hopefully you and I will see an end to abortion soon. 🙂
 
Wow, tracy, I feel the same way,I want so badly to do something that will make a difference in protecting innocent babies that cannot defend themselves! I try every chance I get to engage in discussions about the issue of abortion.

The upcoming elections are a great gateway into a conversation, most everybody talks politics, and as they are expressing their opinion on the issues that are important to them, I make a point to say that for me life issues take precidence over any other issues. When I am talking to somebody about abortion, I can’t help but get tears in my eyes, and that makes an impression, they say things like “wow, this is really important to you isnt it?” I tell them that somebody has to try to protect the innocent, they can’t speak for themselves.

I am faced with the issue of emails as well. I haven’t recieved any at work, but I did get an email from my mom that I think would change a lot of people’s votes. The email is a youtube video of a nurse that worked at a hopital that actually performed infanticide on babies that survived abortions. I don’t think most of the people planning on voting for the #1 pro- abortion candidate running for president right now know that he actually voted against the Newborn Protection Act that would have saved these babies. Oh man, this email is extremely difficult to watch, alot like your email, but they really do make an impression. The hard thing is who to send it to.

Another thing that makes an impression is that when the opportunity arises, I make a point of saying that I won’t even patronize a very popular coffee shop chain because they contribute to Planned Parenthood who is the #1 provider of abortion services.

As a mother of 4, a nurse, and a catholic, I feel that it is so important for me to have a voice for the innocent. God bless you tracy for having a heart for them too. It’s great to know that there are others that are willing to fight this uphill battle. Let’s keep praying and praying to the Lord above and ask the Blessed Mother to pray for an end to the horrible tragedy of abortion. And let’s hold up our end of the deal as Catholics and vote like Catholics!

May the Lord Bless!
Krista
 
PLAL said:
Be careful what you email at work. Someone sent me a Pro-Choice chain email at work and I fired back a Pro-Life response. Things went downhill from there and I was layed off at work 6 months later.

Here is a great book to keep handy for Pro-Life responses to all the Pro-Choice Arguments…

lifedynamics.com/Abortion_Information/Pro-life_Product/?id=144
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Sorry to hear that.

Thanks for the advice, sometimes I worry that I could get into trouble at work, because I talk about many moral issues there. I talk about them with those that talk to me about them, I know some are unreceptive. I did a few years ago, almost get into trouble. It was after the movie “the Passion of the Christ” and then the “Da Vinci Code” came out. A Catholic said to my husband that Jesus wasn’t God, and then a couple other Christians said the same, So I spoke to the people who talked to me about religion and asked them If they believed Jesus was God. They were all people who claim to be Christian and the majority did not think He is God. Then a fellow worker told me to cool it, because many were talking about the fact that I had asked them the question. I think they were offended. That was a hard time for me. I can’t imagine how I would have felt if I’ld lost my job. May God watch over you.

I send my emails from home and not work and I send them to home email address not work ones. I still haven’t sent the email, I wrote about.

Did the writer of the pro choice email, lose their job too?
 
lvn4Him said:
Wow, tracy, I feel the same way,I want so badly to do something that will make a difference in protecting innocent babies that cannot defend themselves! I try every chance I get to engage in discussions about the issue of abortion.

The upcoming elections are a great gateway into a conversation, most everybody talks politics, and as they are expressing their opinion on the issues that are important to them, I make a point to say that for me life issues take precidence over any other issues. When I am talking to somebody about abortion, I can’t help but get tears in my eyes, and that makes an impression, they say things like “wow, this is really important to you isnt it?” I tell them that somebody has to try to protect the innocent, they can’t speak for themselves.

I am faced with the issue of emails as well. I haven’t recieved any at work, but I did get an email from my mom that I think would change a lot of people’s votes. The email is a youtube video of a nurse that worked at a hopital that actually performed infanticide on babies that survived abortions. I don’t think most of the people planning on voting for the #1 pro- abortion candidate running for president right now know that he actually voted against the Newborn Protection Act that would have saved these babies. Oh man, this email is extremely difficult to watch, alot like your email, but they really do make an impression. The hard thing is who to send it to.

Another thing that makes an impression is that when the opportunity arises, I make a point of saying that I won’t even patronize a very popular coffee shop chain because they contribute to Planned Parenthood who is the #1 provider of abortion services.

As a mother of 4, a nurse, and a catholic, I feel that it is so important for me to have a voice for the innocent. God bless you tracy for having a heart for them too. It’s great to know that there are others that are willing to fight this uphill battle. Let’s keep praying and praying to the Lord above and ask the Blessed Mother to pray for an end to the horrible tragedy of abortion. And let’s hold up our end of the deal as Catholics and vote like Catholics!

May the Lord Bless!
Krista
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Krista, I can not tell you what your email means to me. I too have heard and seen the about hospital and staff who allowed babies to die without care and sometimes even arms to hold them.

I actually shared that story last year with the work friend I’ve mentioned. He didn’t believe that things such as that happened. I think it wasn’t until I actually sent him some pictures of babies who had died as a result of partial birth abortion that he believed me. But now the election is coming up and he has focused once again on the economy, health, so forth. I thought that after he saw those images he would feel like I do. But, I guess I was wrong. It just breaks my heart that even when faced with what the truth is some just don’t want to be bothered to have to do something. I just don’t understand.

Okay, let me take a moment …your email made me feel better, so I’m going to take a deep breath and tell you, thank you, I really needed to hear that.

I will send my email to him, but I haven’t been able to workout the kinks. I’m not sure how to send pictures, I haven’t done it in awhile. When I tried it didn’t work. You have inspired me to try again. Maybe, by the election, he will have a change of heart.

God Bless
 
I thought I’ld share a flag I made a couple of years ago for when I got to go to the March for life in Washington. I ironed it on to my shirt and hat.

My husband liked it so I thought maybe some of you might. If any prolifer wants to use it, go right ahead and God bless.

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When things are said and done they must be done out of love for others. Just recently I was on another forum called diaperswappers, discussing abortion on a Obama thread these pro choice women have more conviction about using cloth diapers, circumcision, co-sleeping, non-vaxing issues. It just me made realize the mind set they hold. It was as though, well if you have a baby you better do things for them or else, but the mere life of the baby was up for grabs :confused:
What struck me the most was how easily a woman can become pro choice because she believes that that is the right of a woman’s body. Over and over I kept hearing about “well I dont agree with it, I would never do this BUT if she wants to do this then it is her choice”
I was accused of using Pro Life Language, and although I never waivered on my stance I just saw how, we are lacking love and compassion towards each other. There were some women on there that said they were catholic and pro choice. LOVE is the the first and foremost action that we must take when we try to talk to people. I never would speak to someone so rudely as I was spoken to. Yes the Evil one is surely behind many of these false scare tactics as to why a woman should have her choice.

It is truly sad!!!
 
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