I want to kneel while receiving Jesus but no one else does

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I’m simply responding to the posts of others. At no point have I ever mentioned the term ‘grovelling’, I simply think it is unnecessary to approach the priest about this beforehand. If someone chooses to genuflect directly before or after standing to receive ought they too approach the priest beforehand to inform him? It is just not necessary.
It’s obvious that common courtesy is not part of of what we Catholics should practice, because we have the “right” to do whatever we wish to do. If we disagree with part of the homily or dislike how the Eucharistic Prayer is prayed, we should just shout out loud to the celebrants that they are wrong and they should celebrate mass the manner that we like. :eek:
 
It’s obvious that common courtesy is not part of of what we Catholics should practice, because we have the “right” to do whatever we wish to do
So are you saying that we should all inform the priest beforehand of everything that we intend to do at Mass? The priest would never have time to say the Mass if that was the case. Or is it only with regard to kneeling to receive Communion that we ought to inform the priest. I really fail to see why kneeling to receive Communion should be regarded as such an anomaly that the priest ought to be informed beforehand.
If we disagree with part of the homily or dislike how the Eucharistic Prayer is prayed, we should just shout out loud to the celebrants that they are wrong and they should celebrate mass the manner that we like. :eek:
What has kneeling to receive Communion got to do with telling the priest how to say Mass? The rubrics dictate how the priest should say Mass (i.e. in the same way that all other Catholic masses are said). And (although it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, but since you have raised it) an unauthorised change to the Eucharistic Prayer can invalidate the Mass.
 
Perhaps before you think about receiving the Eucharist in the hand, you should talk to your priest about it.

Maybe you shouldn’t dip your hand in that holy water font to bless yourself before consulting the pastor.

Oh, you want to hold hands during the “Our Father”? Better make sure Father knows about it first?

Surely I have provided enough absurd examples to make you think about the concept.

As for the idea that kneeling can be a hazard in line, well this is just a red herring, a canard that is meant to make people feel guilty for being devout. Same goes for trying to shame them for being “holier-than-thou” or a “Pharisee” or a “narcissist”. The only things I think when I see someone kneeling down is, how humble he is, and how brave, unafraid to stick out of the crowd, what focus he has on Our Lord.

The faithful should know and boldly exercise their rights. They should never be shamed, intimidated, or cajoled out of the free exercise of devotion. 50 years ago, this thread would have sounded ridiculous. Everyone able to kneel knelt, and those who didn’t, stood. Then came wreckovations, the abolition of the altar rail, and mandatory pew-by-pew cattle calls. Now we’re dealing with entitled people who receive sacrilegiously, and those who don’t, demand a blessing. The Eucharist is our precious gift, a privilege, an honor. Those who approach it without due fear and trembling are eating and drinking condemnation on themselves.

There is a reason and agenda behind those who would discourage kneeling, to the point of taking away kneelers and other aids. They want to be inclusive, affirming, welcoming, in all the bad senses of these words. Kneeling is for them a symbol of oppression, a relic from a bygone era when people believed in fairy tales such as the Real Presence. To them, the altar is a mere table around which we gather to sing “Kum-ba-ya” and celebrate each other as we share a meal. Let’s not think of a Holy Sacrifice, the re-presentation of Calvary, the Heavenly Host of Revelation come to earth. These are the people who will be first on their knees at the Second Coming and Final Judgement; they will say “Lord, Lord” and Christ will examine their works.

Reverence for the Eucharist is reverence for Christ. If we believe and profess that He is God, then what He tells us is true, that “This is My body, this is My blood.” If we truly desire His love, if we wish to be one with Him, we give Him everything that He deserves, no matter the personal cost to us. If that means hitting the cold marble floor or the hot asphalt or even just a soft felt kneeler, then we don’t think twice, we give it to Him.

The Church has allowed us to stand and receive for much the same reason Moses allowed divorce, because of our hardness of heart. The Church loves us and the Eucharist, the Church wants us to receive and enjoy all the benefits. The Vatican II generation has robbed us of altar rails and thereby of a uniform kneeling posture to receive. If we want kneeling back, we’re going to need to convince pastors and bishops to give us back the rail. And that means digging deep and paying for renovations which increase the beauty and utility of sacred architecture. Or we can simply sit back, comfortable in our ugly churches, and allow the “Kum-ba-ya” crowd to destroy Catholic identity by stripping our churches of everything that is uniquely Catholic and replacing it with felt banners celebrating the Seattle Seahawks.

It is up to you.
 
It is truly amazing how many Canon lawyers we have on this thread.

It is also truly amazing, that when the US, with the permission and direction of Rome, allows the US bishops to set the norm, that it is so easily dismissed on an emotional “This is what I want to do”, and how quickly those same people are to condemn the “liberals” when they do the same thing for another norm.🤷
 
As for the idea that kneeling can be a hazard in line, well this is just a red herring, a canard that is meant to make people feel guilty for being devout. Same goes for trying to shame them for being “holier-than-thou” or a “Pharisee” or a “narcissist”. The only things I think when I see someone kneeling down is, how humble he is, and how brave, unafraid to stick out of the crowd, what focus he has on Our Lord.
I like your entire post, but wanted to focus on this paragraph, so as to mention that some of us do indeed feel guilty for being devout, and we have to suppress our natural instinct to show our great love and reverence for out lord at Mass. Some of us feel that we have to tone down our love and reverence so as to not stand out, and also to not cause others to feel uncomfortable. It’s a form of suffering that the progressives can’t really understand or relate to.

I only once saw someone kneeling at Mass (OF) to receive. It was an elderly man, and he had to have help from a younger man (probably his son) to kneel, and then to stand back up again. It was quite difficult for him to kneel, but he did it anyway, with help. I was very moved and humbled by that.
 
It is truly amazing how many Canon lawyers we have on this thread.

It is also truly amazing, that when the US, with the permission and direction of Rome, allows the US bishops to set the norm, that it is so easily dismissed on an emotional “This is what I want to do”, and how quickly those same people are to condemn the “liberals” when they do the same thing for another norm.🤷
You don’t need to be a canon lawyer to know that any Catholic, in any Catholic church, anywhere in the world, regardless of what local ‘norms’ have been set by individual Bishops Conferences, has the right to receive Communion on the tongue and kneeling. No priest or bishop can deny this.

And I can see no evidence on this thread of people saying that others should not receive Communion in the hand and standing (so long as that particular Bishops Conference has been granted an indult to allow this) but I see quite a bit of evidence suggesting that people should not receive Communion kneeling and on the tongue.

Receiving Communion standing and in the hand may be the local norm in some areas (provided an indult has been granted) but receiving Communion kneeling and on the tongue is the universal Church norm and cannot therefore be over-ridden by local norms.
 
You don’t need to be a canon lawyer to know that any Catholic, in any Catholic church, anywhere in the world, regardless of what local ‘norms’ have been set by individual Bishops Conferences, has the right to receive Communion on the tongue and kneeling. No priest or bishop can deny this.

And I can see no evidence on this thread of people saying that others should not receive Communion in the hand and standing (so long as that particular Bishops Conference has been granted an indult to allow this) but I see quite a bit of evidence suggesting that people should not receive Communion kneeling and on the tongue.

Receiving Communion standing and in the hand may be the local norm in some areas (provided an indult has been granted) but receiving Communion kneeling and on the tongue is the universal Church norm and cannot therefore be over-ridden by local norms.
I also can read what Canon lawyers have actually said about it, and I stand by my post.

The fact that a canonical penalty cannot be given does not mean that it is open season; however, those who wish to put their emotional feelings over the norm will continue to do so.

Those who style themselves as traditionalists, and many are not old enough to actually have lived in the time they prize, would perhaps be surprised that during that time, one had the humility, sense of obedience to the bishop, and a willingness to bend ones will to the lawful authorities. And perhaps it is my long exposure to both the Benedictines and the Trappists which reinforces my perceptions.

And as I said, when the lawful authorities say “thus and so” and the liberals flaunt their own interpretation, the self-styled traditionalists are the first to condemn, never looking in the mirror to see a very similar image.

Have a good and holy day. I will not respond further; just my observation.

And by the way, the dismissive “in some areas” is called the United States. I am well aware that in some parishes, the entire parish uses the altar rail and the great majority receive CITH; we are not really discussing that.
 
Those who style themselves as traditionalists, and many are not old enough to actually have lived in the time they prize, would perhaps be surprised that during that time, one had the humility, sense of obedience to the bishop, and a willingness to bend ones will to the lawful authorities.
Authority is the key here. A bishop or priest only has authority over that which has been given to him. A bishop or priest does not have the authority to over-rule Church laws and universal norms.
 
Even though it was not required, I certainly do not regret discussing the matter with my pastor before I started receiving Communion while kneeling. Doing this helped me to overcome my misgivings about it causing disruption or inconvenience to others. Because it was such a good experience for me, I recommend it to others.

This thread has given me insight into why some people have a negative view of trads.
 
This thread has given me insight into why some people have a negative view of trads.
That’s a rather judgemental statement don’t you think? How do you define who is, or who isn’t, a ‘trad’? What criteria have you used to make that judgement?

For all you know you might have been judged to be a ‘trad’ because of your kneeling and receiving on the tongue. What makes others on here ‘trads’ but presumably not you?
 
This thread has given me insight into why some people have a negative view of trads.
Could you elaborate on the above statement? I haven’t seen anything written by trads that are problematic at all. 🤷
 
That’s a rather judgemental statement don’t you think? How do you define who is, or who isn’t, a ‘trad’? What criteria have you used to make that judgement?

For all you know you might have been judged to be a ‘trad’ because of your kneeling and receiving on the tongue. What makes others on here ‘trads’ but presumably not you?
I hope that others consider me to be a “trad” because that is how I think of myself. I attend the Extraordinary Form of the Mass whenever possible and tend to find traditional Catholic devotions and practices helpful and meaningful.

I have found the tone of this thread unnecessarily confrontational and divisive. Unfortunately, my comment is probably only going to make it worse. At least, I am showing that all traditionalists are not the same.
 
And perhaps it is my long exposure to both the Benedictines and the Trappists which reinforces my perceptions.
I’m cut from similar cloth as you. We should all probably benefit from reading the Rule of St. Benedict, in particular the chapter on humility.

Hint to others: abnegation of one’s own will, placing others above and beyond our own will, and in particular, obedience to superiors.

I don’t think I’ve ever heard a Benedictine say “it’s my right”…
 
Just to add my thoughts to this.

I always receive kneeling and on the tongue. I do this without any exception.

I don’t always receive Holy Communion at Mass.

If I am not in a state of grace I don’t receive. If I haven’t been fasting for at least three hours before Mass I don’t receive. If I think I am in such a place where receiving, kneeling and on the tongue will cause so much of an issue as to outweigh any potential benefits I don’t receive.

As Catholics we are only required to receive Holy Communion once a year, at Easter.
 
I have found the tone of this thread unnecessarily confrontational and divisive. Unfortunately, my comment is probably only going to make it worse. At least, I am showing that all traditionalists are not the same.
I agree that not all trads are the same; in fact trads can have very different views from one another. I think it’s good to be tolerant, if possible, of different views. Sometimes it’s difficult to do that. 🙂
 
I’m cut from similar cloth as you. We should all probably benefit from reading the Rule of St. Benedict, in particular the chapter on humility.

Hint to others: abnegation of one’s own will, placing others above and beyond our own will, and in particular, obedience to superiors.

I don’t think I’ve ever heard a Benedictine say “it’s my right”…
True, but not everyone chooses Benedictine superiors or a particular abbey or convent to which they choose to obey. (Is that really obedience in the strict sense?) We generally don’t have a choice when it comes to bishops and priests.
 
It is truly amazing how many Canon lawyers we have on this thread.

It is also truly amazing, that when the US, with the permission and direction of Rome, allows the US bishops to set the norm, that it is so easily dismissed on an emotional “This is what I want to do”, and how quickly those same people are to condemn the “liberals” when they do the same thing for another norm.🤷
The US bishops were allowed to make standing the norm on the condition that those who wished to receive kneeling would be permitted to do so. There is nothing at all disobedient about receiving while kneeling.
 
I know where the original post is coming from. I have received on the tongue for some years now. I recently began genuflexing too receive, a full kneel without an alter rail, kneeling is a stretch for me. Even getting up from genuflexing can feel akward, but it is accepted in my parish and doesn’t impede the “flow” of communion. I’ve seen several others do this as well. Oh, once a visiting priest wouldn’t give me the host until I said “amen,” only glitch so far.

The exception for me is a small mission church where I assist in the summer, they actually have an alter rail but there just isn’t room to kneel or genuflect, so I receive standing.
 
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