I was converted from Catholicism to Christ at the age of 19.

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🤷 You’re wantonly neglecting the unbelievers, and therefore, the extent and breadth of the punishment articulated in the conclusion.
There were no unbelievers in that parable. In both examples, the servant was the servant.

You don’t get to be a servant without being hired, and you don’t get hired if you don’t know and believe in the Master.

I can’t understand why that isn’t perfectly obvious. 🤷
 
There were no unbelievers in that parable. In both examples, the servant was the servant.

You don’t get to be a servant without being hired, and you don’t get hired if you don’t know and believe in the Master.

I can’t understand why that isn’t perfectly obvious. 🤷
And yet, I can understand why you don’t see unbelievers. :hmmm:

And I can understand why you reject Christ’s stated conclusion in Luke’s account. :ehh:
 
And yet, I can understand why you don’t see unbelievers. :hmmm:
We’re still talking about the servant who either obeyed or did not obey, right?

He was still a believer in both cases. The difference was that in one case he sinned, and then went to Hell, whereas in the other case, he obeyed, and he went to Heaven.

He started off the same in both scenarios, though - he started off as a believer.
 
He started off the same in both scenarios, though - he started off as a believer.
The second didn’t start off the same as the first, as indicated by the contrasting conjunction, “but,” (v 45) which sets the second wicked servant in stark contrast to the faithful, sensible and blessed servant.
 
There were no unbelievers in that parable. In both examples, the servant was the servant.

You don’t get to be a servant without being hired, and you don’t get hired if you don’t know and believe in the Master.

I can’t understand why that isn’t perfectly obvious. 🤷
The parable itself deals with Christians and Christ’s teaching Christians the importance of being ready. The immediate context of the parable is established a few verses before:

**35"Be dressed in readiness, and keep your lamps lit.
36"Be like men who are waiting for their master when he returns from the wedding feast, so that they may immediately open the door to him when he comes and knocks. **

This theme of readiness is mentioned throughout the parable (vv 43, 46). The fact that readiness is the primary purpose of the parable is even clearer in Matthew 24, where it immediately follows Jesus’s teaching His apostles to be alert and ready for His coming and is immediately followed by parables about readiness. The degree of punishment is only a secondary theme and is even left out from the version in Matthew. Jesus mentions unbelievers, but the parable is talking about a faithful and wise steward who is placed in charge of other slaves. Unbelievers are only mentioned to emphasize the fate of those who fail to persevere. They will suffer eternal damnation like the unbelievers. However, their terrible fate is compounded by the fact that they knew their master’s will and they willfully abused the authority given to them by their master.

God Bless,
Michael
 
The second didn’t start off the same as the first, as indicated by the contrasting conjunction, “but,” (v 45) which sets the second wicked servant in stark contrast to the faithful, sensible and blessed servant.
He didn’t become wicked until he sinned. Before that, he was a believer, as evidenced by the fact that he was hired on as a servant.

(You don’t hire anyone for your business who doesn’t believe in you and support your business goals, do you? 🤷 )
 
He didn’t become wicked until he sinned. Before that, he was a believer, as evidenced by the fact that he was hired on as a servant.

(You don’t hire anyone for your business who doesn’t believe in you and support your business goals, do you? 🤷 )
Guess you’ve never come up against a grammatical construction you can’t ignore. 🤷
 
The second didn’t start off the same as the first, as indicated by the contrasting conjunction, “but,” (v 45) which sets the second wicked servant in stark contrast to the faithful, sensible and blessed servant.
There is only one servant - the faithful and wise steward. The “faithful” and “wise” describes the steward at the time he is given his position of authority.

**42And the Lord said, "Who then is the faithful and sensible steward, whom his master will put in charge of his servants, to give them their rations at the proper time?
43"Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes.
44"Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions.
45"But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will be a long time in coming,’ and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk; **

The future tense in verse 42 - will put in charge of his servants - means that the servant is faithful and wise prior to being given his position of authority. So there is only one subject (Jesus uses the singular, not the plural) and that’s established in verse 42. The use of “that slave” in verses 43 and 45 makes it gramatically clear that this refers to the subject in verse 42.

God Bless,
Michael
 
The use of “that slave” in verses 43 and 45 makes it gramatically clear that this refers to the subject in verse 42.
“BUT,” that second slave is wicked, while the first is faithful, sensible and blessed.
 
Guess you’ve never come up against a grammatical construction you can’t ignore. 🤷
2And the Lord said, "Who then is the faithful and sensible steward, whom his master will put in charge of his servants, to give them their rations at the proper time?
43"Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes.
44"Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions.
45"But if that slave <<<— the same guy!! - says in his heart, ‘My master will be a long time in coming,’ and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk;
 
2And the Lord said, "Who then is the faithful and sensible steward, whom his master will put in charge of his servants, to give them their rations at the proper time?
43"Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes.
44"Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions.
45"But if that slave <<<— the same guy!! - says in his heart, ‘My master will be a long time in coming,’ and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk;
You’re grasping at the straw presented by Mikeledes, and you’re joining him in his quibble (heaven knows that the Catholic must exceed the protestant in his understanding of God’s word.)

The first servant is faithful, sensible blessed," the second is wicked.

Two different attitudes, two different responses, two different outcomes.
 
The second didn’t start off the same as the first, as indicated by the contrasting conjunction, “but,” (v 45) which sets the second wicked servant in stark contrast to the faithful, sensible and blessed servant.
That is pure conjecture designed to support your man made dogma.

That’s not what the bible says.
 
You’re grasping at the straw presented by Mikeledes, and you’re joining him in his quibble (heaven knows that the Catholic must exceed the protestant in his understanding of God’s word.)

The first servant is faithful, sensible blessed," the second is wicked.

Two different attitudes, two different responses, two different outcomes.
This is clearly about choices made by one servant.

Your confidence is unfounded. You better get to work and start using the grace God has given you before it is too late!
 
This is clearly about choices made by one servant.
**Same set of circumstances.

**Two different attitudes.

Two different responses.

Two different outcomes.

🤷 Clearly Christ has in mind two different types of servants.

One wicked, and the other faithful, sensible and blessed.
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Your confidence is unfounded. You better get to work and start using the grace God has given you before it is too late!
And, IMO, you’d do well to work on your reading comprehension. 🙂
 
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Exactly.

Two different responses and outcomes.

The servant could have chosen one of two paths.
Christ did not describe a choice, BUT, what in fact each different servant did.

Tearing apart the didactic nature of a parable in order to make a dogmatic statement gets one into trouble.

The conclusion of the parable is that there will be varying degrees of punishment in hell, and that ignorance of the will of God does not excuse one from punishment.

**Same set of circumstances.

**Two different attitudes.

Two different responses.

Two different outcomes.

🤷 Clearly Christ has in mind two different types of servants.

One wicked, and the other faithful, sensible and blessed.
 
Christ did not describe a choice, BUT, what in fact each different servant did.

Tearing apart the didactic nature of a parable in order to make a dogmatic statement gets one into trouble.

The conclusion of the parable is that there will be varying degrees of punishment in hell, and that ignorance of the will of God does not excuse one from punishment.
No. There were not two different servants. There was only one servant. He started out faithful. He then had a choice. Jesus is showing the outcome of each of his two choices. If he chooses to obey, he will be blessed. If he chooses to disobey, he will be cursed. The outcome is based on his behaviour; not on his initial character. He doesn’t become “wicked” until he begins to behave wickedly.
 
No. There were not two different servants. There was only one servant. He started out faithful. He then had a choice. Jesus is showing the outcome of each of his two choices. If he chooses to obey, he will be blessed. If he chooses to disobey, he will be cursed. The outcome is based on his behaviour; not on his initial character. He doesn’t become “wicked” until he begins to behave wickedly.
**Same set of circumstances.

**Two different attitudes.

Two different responses.

Two different outcomes.

🤷 Clearly Christ has in mind two different types of servants.

One wicked, and the other faithful, sensible and blessed.
 
**Same set of circumstances.

**Two different attitudes.

Two different responses.

Two different outcomes.

🤷 Clearly Christ has in mind two different types of servants.

One wicked, and the other faithful, sensible and blessed.
:rolleyes:

“That servant” = the same guy.

If he obeys, he is faithful, sensible, and blessed. If he sins, he is wicked.

Jesus is telling us that we have the choice, by means of our behaviour, either to become blessed, or to become cursed.
 
:rolleyes:

“That servant” = the same guy.

If he obeys, he is faithful, sensible, and blessed. If he sins, he is wicked.

Jesus is telling us that we have the choice, by means of our behaviour, either to become blessed, or to become cursed.
**Same set of circumstances.

**Two different attitudes.

Two different responses.

Two different outcomes.

🤷 Clearly Christ has in mind two different types of servants.

One wicked, and the other faithful, sensible and blessed.
 
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