I was just thinking about Oral Tradition....... and cakes !!!

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I’m starting to get my head around this. In a way at least that I can understand. You’ll appreciate that for someone comming here from a position of non commital ( I have the fence post marks in my underwear to prove it 😛 ) reading some of these threads is mind boggling :confused:

So, thinking about whether I just need the Bible alone, and reading up on some of the reformers (thanks to those that sent me links) and compariing it to the Catholic Churchs history of taking account of the Bible and oral tradition, I thought about my Grandma.

She’s been at peace now for a long time. She wasn’t my biological grandma, but the mother of the father of the family that adopted me.

She loved baking, and so do I.

She never weighed butter, sugar, flour or anything else. Everything was a ‘‘lump’’ of this, a ‘dollop’ of that, a pinch of the other.

I followed receipe books; she followed tradition handed down to her from her mother, who got it from her mother, who got it from her mother.

My cakes never tasted as good as hers.

I watched her and learned a lot.

My book would say whip for 2 minutes, she would whip till it ‘‘looked right’’.
My book would say NOW add this or that, she would have already done it.
My book would say 3 oz of sugar, she would take a palmfull.
My book would say add 6 oz of butter, she would add a ‘‘dollop’’… just like her mother had taught her.
The bags of flour and packets of yeast in her house never saw a weighing-scales 😛

I followed the receipe book to the letter … she followed what she had been told and what she had refined with experience.

They were the same cakes. 'Cept hers were always so much richer and fuller and just plain nicer 😃

So thinking about it in my own incredibly simplistic way, because I don’t yet have the vocabulary to get into mind warping theological argumenets with anyone, I reckon tradition IS important.

And it being the case, as I understand it, that oral tradition and teaching played a central role in passing on the faith of the early Christians, and it being the claim of the Catholic Church that it has an unbroken link with that Tradition and Teaching - then I’m very much swayed to looking into the Catholic Church a lot deeper.

Reading the boards, if Catholics, with their belief in sacred tradition, can get so many people’s panties in a knot, then they must be doing something right :eek: 😃 😃 (sorry, my inappropriate sense of humour again 😊 )
 
You know what, that’s actually a pretty cool metaphor. 👍

God bless you, former agnostic.🙂

❤️ Love is Patient
 
Yeah… I gotta do something about that name 😊 😃

See, it was right a few months ago - and it was not my intention that I would ever need to change it any time soon 😃

So much for plans huh??

😃
😃 God loves to make our plans better.

“For I know well the plans I have in mind for you, says the LORD, plans for your welfare, not for woe! plans to give you a future full of hope.” Jeremiah 29:11

❤️ Love is Patient
 
If you can find it in a used bookstore, I highly recomend the 1960’s The Supper of the Lamb by Fr. (Episcopalian) Robert Capon, a theology-cookbook as it were. Capon and your Grandma would get along fabulously!
 
Yeah… I gotta do something about that name 😊 😃

See, it was right a few months ago - and it was not my intention that I would ever need to change it any time soon 😃

So much for plans huh??

😃
Your example of how tradition works is enjoyable to read.

Do you have any ideas for a new name yet? Maybe another person might have some good ideas for names. I cannot think of any suggestions right now.

Let’s hear it for our grandmothers.🙂
 
Yeah… I gotta do something about that name 😊 😃

See, it was right a few months ago - and it was not my intention that I would ever need to change it any time soon 😃

So much for plans huh??

😃
I like your story. My grandmother was the same way. Many of our great treats died with her. 😦

As for your plans and name. Two things come to mind…

“Life is what happens when you have other plans.”

and

“If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans.”

Maybe he was laughing before, but I’m sure he’s smiling now!
 
Oral Tradition still applies to even when the cookbook is being used!

When the ingredients are read, for example:
To add a stick of butter and 7 eggs.

Does one simply throw in an unwrapped stick of butter and 7 eggs that have not been cracked?

I sure would hope not!

No, oral tradition tells you that you have to unwrap the butter and crack the eggs before adding them to the mix.

This is how it is with the Bible!

We need Oral Tradition to bring light to what the Bible is saying!

Time has proven that the Bible is not self-authenticating. Oral Tradition kept the Catholic Church believing the same beliefs during the time of the Reformation when Theology was changing more often than agnostic’s panties (which were in a bunch)!

Seems Oral Tradition has a small proof in those 500 years that the Catholic Churches beliefs remain as firm as the Rock (Peter) they were founded on.

No Oral Tradition? Many an interpretation!
Oral Tradition? Same interpretation!
 
Oral Tradition still applies to even when the cookbook is being used!

When the ingredients are read, for example:
To add a stick of butter and 7 eggs.

Does one simply throw in an unwrapped stick of butter and 7 eggs that have not been cracked?

I sure would hope not!

No, oral tradition tells you that you have to unwrap the butter and crack the eggs before adding them to the mix.

This is how it is with the Bible!

We need Oral Tradition to bring light to what the Bible is saying!

Time has proven that the Bible is not self-authenticating. Oral Tradition kept the Catholic Church believing the same beliefs during the time of the Reformation when Theology was changing more often than agnostic’s panties (which were in a bunch)!

Seems Oral Tradition has a small proof in those 500 years that the Catholic Churches beliefs remain as firm as the Rock (Peter) they were founded on.

No Oral Tradition? Many an interpretation!
Oral Tradition? Same interpretation!
Eggsackly 👍 (did you see what I just did there 😃 )
My Granma still used books, for sure, but her baking wasn’t enhanced by detailed descriptions, it was enhanced because of her experience and the tradition handed down to her when she was a girl hanging onto her mother’s apron strings 😃

I’m giving serious reflection to where I go next and what I’m supposed to do next - there’s so much debate here about the value of tradition - I’m certain in myslef of how important tradition is - this leads me to fiinding out more about the Catholic Church and it’s rich history of BOTH Scripture and Tradition.
Scripture on it’s own just seems like half the receipe.
 
I also like my grandmothers way of cooking. Much better recipe for success.
 
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