I was raised in the Sedevacantist schism

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My husband and I were both raised in Sedevacantist families. (For those who may not know, Sedevacantisism is a schismatic sect that considers all popes since Vatican II to be antipopes.) We have recently decided to investigate the “other side” of the argument and have discovered to our surprise that we actually agree with what we were raised to believe was a “robber church”. We are now attending a local dioscesan parish. It was a huge culture shock, as I have never attended anything but the Tridentine Mass. I must also say that I think I will always prefer the Latin Mass to the vernacular. However, we believe that in spite of abuses and scandals that may take place in certain parishes, we are making the right decision in returning to Rome. If there are any other former Traditionalists who have made the same decision we have, I would be interested in hearing from you and learning what led you to return to the Church. God bless you all.
 
Hello. What brought me back from my leanings were doctrine and prayer. The doctrine that there will be perpetual successors to the Roman Pontificate can not be ignored. That, and I called every sedevacantist bishop in the world, and over a period of a few months, I was able to determine that none of them were moving towards an election. That is a dead end, and heretical.
Bishop Neville retuned my phone call, and so did a Priest from Rosary Chapel in CT. Bishop Webster also returned my phone call. None of them were pursuing an election. That is gravely schismatic in my view. In my view, if there is no Pope, then immediately, the Catholic thing to do is to rectify the situation. There should be no time for “a gap,” especially of 60 years. The Catholic need is grave, severe, and immediate, for a successor to the Holy See.
That and assiduous prayer, eventually led me back to the Ordinary Form at my local Cathedral. I also began a fresh look at everything that led me to the Extraordinary Form exclusively, and I re-examined several things. One, is that Peter has the two Keys of the Pontificate, which are the keys of Jurisdiction and Order. If he has the key of Order, than he has the keys over the prayers of the Order, which is one of the biggest points of contention between sedevacantists and ordinary form Catholics - the content of the essential forms of the Sacraments. The Pope has the Key of Order, and that is constant tradition. He can bind and loosen, and to what constitutes the essential form of the Sacraments, in my opinion, to essentially almost anything.
Also, the pictures of Saint John Paul II kissing the Koran, and things like this, they are personal sins. No one can judge the First See. From what I know about Catholic philosophy, they can kiss the koran with an internal mental reservation, drink pagan potions with an internal reservation, no one can know his mind, and with what I know about mental reservation, and Catholic philosophy, they can say almost anything they want. No one can judge the First See. No one knows their interiors, and no one can tell me that Pope Saint Paul VI did not use mental reservation during half of his ecumenical gestures.
I can not stress enough how far mental reservation and studying Sacred Philosophy from a Catholic seminary, can make you a viper of logic and wit. If I could only stress enough, how Catholic Philosophy, and the principles thereof, and mental reservation, or saying mental reservations for “pastoral reasons,” can take you so far into ecumenism, or anything really, it is Catholic genius. It leads to such strong creativity, and all of those priests of that era studied those things. They were encouraged at the Second Vatican Council, “be creative,” “these things are for pastoral purposes.”
 
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The Pope has the Keys of Jurisdiction and Order. It is easily within his power to change the Essential Form, and make it licit, and no one could question him. Two Keys, Order, and Jurisdiction. I believe that the Pope could even authorize the use of the word “this” for ordaining a Priest, and the the word “this” would be a valid essential form for the Ordaining of the Priest, upon dispensation of the Pope. That is how far I believe the Power of the Keys of St. Peter extends.
 
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I write to the Vatican occasionally, asking for them to say something about Sedevacantism. I know if they had, my life would not have been as ruined as it had become by the phenomenon, and there are thousands like me. I know there are. There are thousands of people who attend the CMRI, and the other Bishops Chapels. All that I would have needed at the outset of that part of my journey towards Heaven, was just any word by the Vatican - anything whatsoever, and I would have stayed away. But the fact that they don’t address it, as a modern controversy, shows me they are either not googling the word Catholic, and reading what is online, or they don’t know how to take it on exactly. I encourage the Vatican to to issue Declaratory Sentences of Excommunication on the sedevacantists. Maybe you could write a letter or two also?
 
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I never called myself a sedevacantist. To me, I always “Catholic,” and Catholic plainly and simply.
 
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I know some sedevacantists but have never been convinced by their arguments. I’m glad you’ve opened yourself to the guidance of the Holy Ghost.

I recommend that you find an FSSP or ICKSP parish. There are plenty of priests and societies who celebrate the Traditional Mass and Sacraments. I attend my local diocesan Traditional Mass and the SSPX Masses on occasion. You can be traditional and maintain communion with Peter. St. John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI made provision for the flock who are attached to the ancient forms of spirituality.
 
I was raised in the semi-sedevecantist / Ultra-rad-Trad / SSPX / Lefebvreist movement.

What brought me home to Rome was a priest of the FSSP telling me that the canon law the SSPXers always quote to justify themselves, the one about a state of emergency in the Church, means absolutely nothing for our current situation. It was a miracle that as the priest said those words to me, the Holy Spirit swept away all the cobwebs in my head, heart, and soul and I instantly knew he was right, and the anti-Novus Ordo crowd was wrong.

My husband and I switched our family from attending the local SSPX chapel to the FSSP Parish in our diocese, transferred as many of the baptism records and stuff we could, and jumped through the hoops to have our (SSPX-celebrated) marriage regularized. We haven’t looked back since 🤓
 
My husband and I switched our family from attending the local SSPX chapel to the FSSP Parish in our diocese, transferred as many of the baptism records and stuff we could, and jumped through the hoops to have our (SSPX-celebrated) marriage regularized. We haven’t looked back since
It’s great that you regularised your situation and began attending the FSSP Masses. I wholeheartedly support all Ecclesia Dei groups. However, there are many good people in the SSPX chapels. That’s why I continue to attend them on occasion. I don’t want to lose contact with my friends. I hope to help them remove the cobwebs in their heads. I wish they would see that Vatican II was not a total disaster and that many good things resulted from it.
 
Yeah, we were some of those “good people” in the SSPX lol 😆 Don’t give up on your friends. Unfortunately, within my extended family there is now a rift because some of us have left the SSPX while others are hard-liners who think we are practically apostates for going back to Rome. Sigh. At this point all I can do is pray for them.
 
When you go to the SSPX you are not invisible. So some good person sees you. They may reason “Well, there’s another good person coming here. Maybe we should keep coming here, and hold off on that return to a parish for now”. consider the virtue of prudence.
 
. I encourage the Vatican to to issue Declaratory Sentences of Excommunication on the sedevacantists. Maybe you could write a letter or two also?
These communities have been around for many, many years and there have to be a lot of people who grew up in a sedevacantist home, or have otherwise never were in communion in a church in communion with Rome. If someone has never been communicated in the first place, can they be excommunicated? Can you really be expelled from a club you never joined?
 
I have many things to say to that, but I will only say this at this time: it was very confusing to me, and it greatly affected my life, and I felt I was perfectly Catholic. Had there been some sort of warning from Rome, I know, for certain, that my life would be far simpler and easier today. And, I needed to be from Rome. These people claim to be “the” Catholic remnant. It is certainly modern Catholic controversy, the sedevacantists.
 
It must have been a very difficult path. Congratulations on the strength that it must have taken.

The Latin Mass is very beautiful. I enjoyed having the luxury of an FSSP parish in my old metropolitan area… it was always a thriving, beautiful, inspiring group of people. Definitely look some up if you have any in your current geography.

I wish you the best on your path!
 
Thank you. Yes, we do have a FSSP in my general area. It is an hour’s drive away, but I’m sure we’ll go there from time to time just to feel more at home.i
 
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I agree with this. A schismatic group can’t be excommunicated. The fact that it is in schism means it is already out of communion with Rome. Nothing more needs to be said. But even if Rome were to issue some sort if condemnatory statement, the Trads would only take it as more proof that the Novus Ordo is evil.
 
I’m sorry you feel they have ruined your life. I have definitely had a scarring experience as well. CMRI is a total mess of insanity (I won’t even get started) and others like Dolan, Cekada and Sandborn are the most arrogant, uncharitable people I have ever known. Trads are so busy clinging to the piece of tradition that they consider the Church, they have forgotten what it means to be Christian.
 
My OF priest gave me permission to attend on occasion so that I can maintain good relationships with friends. I attend his OF at least 5 times through the week and he knows I’m not schismatic in mindset.
 
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