I would like to be a Trad. Cath but I need a healthy standpoint

[KaneKatholic]

I love the Novus Ordo, I think it is a great form WHEN DONE PROPERLY
however I like the beauty of the ExtraOrdinary form
but I find myself in hot spots w/ the ppl at my current parish whom support political Pro-choice people, Who like dancing and jazz styled music in the mass
I have spoken to my priest and he says that reverence can be practiced in different ways, i.e. if ppl talk before mass it is ok as long as they respect our lord’s presence
My parish also has gospel music as its normal choice and Liturigal dance IN the liturgy (though this is rare and I understand that dance in the liturgy is LA)
they also incorporate african themes in the decoration (not that this is horrible its just a surface issue)
I like the latin mass for its beauty and I find the new one (just as beautiful but it has been defiled by those who want to make the church their own)
I know that the tradition of the way the church was I.e. latin is very westernized but I look to the beautiful divine liturgy as engulfed in culture of the east, so a a Latin Rite i appreciate the culture of the west and want to take advantage of all it has to offer. once again I like the latin mass over the NO (and i think that the Trad route is right FOR ME)
i will look further into it but what is a healthy out look to have as a person who PREFERS the EF to the new

 

[PA650]

I love the Novus Ordo, I think it is a great form WHEN DONE PROPERLY
however I like the beauty of the ExtraOrdinary form
but I find myself in hot spots w/ the ppl at my current parish whom support political Pro-choice people, Who like dancing and jazz styled music in the mass
I have spoken to my priest and he says that reverence can be practiced in different ways, i.e. if ppl talk before mass it is ok as long as they respect our lord’s presence
My parish also has gospel music as its normal choice and Liturigal dance IN the liturgy (though this is rare and I understand that dance in the liturgy is LA)
they also incorporate african themes in the decoration (not that this is horrible its just a surface issue)
I like the latin mass for its beauty and I find the new one (just as beautiful but it has been defiled by those who want to make the church their own)
I know that the tradition of the way the church was I.e. latin is very westernized but I look to the beautiful divine liturgy as engulfed in culture of the east, so a a Latin Rite i appreciate the culture of the west and want to take advantage of all it has to offer. once again I like the latin mass over the NO (and i think that the Trad route is right FOR ME)
i will look further into it but what is a healthy out look to have as a person who PREFERS the EF to the new

Well, the Missal of Paul VI is a valid form of the Mass in the Roman Rite and thus a Catholic of the Roman Rite should at least refrain from criticism of it and the various novelties it can consist of at times. Overall, a Catholic that appreciates the solemnity and lack of ambiguity found in the Missal of Blessed John XXIII should strive to live a holy life centered around the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in the Extraordinary Form and perhaps introduce unfamiliar Catholics to the traditional form of the Mass. My brief response to your post.

 

[valentino]

kanekatholic: The trouble with these changes from traditional is tthis sense that we have to bring Jesus upto date.There is a tendency to lose the message that Jesus taught .No more picking up your cross daily and sacrifice is of the past.Actually we need to sacrifice and pray more than ever because we can see how liberal toward God everyone is becoming.

 

[AthosVII]

I love the Novus Ordo, I think it is a great form WHEN DONE PROPERLY
however I like the beauty of the ExtraOrdinary form
but I find myself in hot spots w/ the ppl at my current parish whom support political Pro-choice people, Who like dancing and jazz styled music in the mass
I have spoken to my priest and he says that reverence can be practiced in different ways, i.e. if ppl talk before mass it is ok as long as they respect our lord’s presence
My parish also has gospel music as its normal choice and Liturigal dance IN the liturgy (though this is rare and I understand that dance in the liturgy is LA)
they also incorporate african themes in the decoration (not that this is horrible its just a surface issue)
I like the latin mass for its beauty and I find the new one (just as beautiful but it has been defiled by those who want to make the church their own)
I know that the tradition of the way the church was I.e. latin is very westernized but I look to the beautiful divine liturgy as engulfed in culture of the east, so a a Latin Rite i appreciate the culture of the west and want to take advantage of all it has to offer. once again I like the latin mass over the NO (and i think that the Trad route is right FOR ME)
i will look further into it but what is a healthy out look to have as a person who PREFERS the EF to the new

I know exactly what you mean. I myself am a traditional Catholic (I will be getting baptized in the next month). Assuming your diocese doesn’t offer a Latin mass, look at certain society chapels that do offer it. For a list of Latin masses, check the directory from Traditio (it’s in a .PDF file) . I personally attend the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX). I understand the controversy in the past, especially the argument about it being a schism, however Pope Benedict XVI has lifted the excommunication in January of 2009 and SSPX is in communion with the Holy See. However, some (like the Society of Saint Pius V) advocate sedevacantism (the Chair of St. Peter is vacant). SSPV is the only society that I know of that advocates sedevacanstism. Good luck, and God bless.

 

[jiqian]

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[The_Idiot]

I know exactly what you mean. I myself am a traditional Catholic (I will be getting baptized in the next month). Assuming your diocese doesn’t offer a Latin mass, look at certain society chapels that do offer it. For a list of Latin masses, check the directory from Traditio (it’s in a .PDF file) . I personally attend the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX). I understand the controversy in the past, especially the argument about it being a schism, however Pope Benedict XVI has lifted the excommunication in January of 2009 and SSPX is in communion with the Holy See. However, some (like the Society of Saint Pius V) advocate sedevacantism (the Chair of St. Peter is vacant). SSPV is the only society that I know of that advocates sedevacanstism. Good luck, and God bless.

Forgive me for this - but as I understood things - the excommunication of your bishops was lifted - but until your group accepts the authority of of HH Benedict in** all** matters you are not part of the Church of Rome - your sacraments are valid - true , but you are not part of the Church

 

[AthosVII]

Forgive me for this - but as I understood things - the excommunication of your bishops was lifted - but until your group accepts the authority of of HH Benedict in** all** matters you are not part of the Church of Rome - your sacraments are valid - true , but you are not part of the Church

SSPX does accept the papal supremacy of His Holiness, unless somewhere where SSPX Bishop Fellay or His Holiness has issued something to the contrary.

 

[markomalley]

I love the Novus Ordo, I think it is a great form WHEN DONE PROPERLY
however I like the beauty of the ExtraOrdinary form
but I find myself in hot spots w/ the ppl at my current parish whom support political Pro-choice people, Who like dancing and jazz styled music in the mass
I have spoken to my priest and he says that reverence can be practiced in different ways, i.e. if ppl talk before mass it is ok as long as they respect our lord’s presence
My parish also has gospel music as its normal choice and Liturigal dance IN the liturgy (though this is rare and I understand that dance in the liturgy is LA)
they also incorporate african themes in the decoration (not that this is horrible its just a surface issue)
I like the latin mass for its beauty and I find the new one (just as beautiful but it has been defiled by those who want to make the church their own)
I know that the tradition of the way the church was I.e. latin is very westernized but I look to the beautiful divine liturgy as engulfed in culture of the east, so a a Latin Rite i appreciate the culture of the west and want to take advantage of all it has to offer. once again I like the latin mass over the NO (and i think that the Trad route is right FOR ME)
i will look further into it but what is a healthy out look to have as a person who PREFERS the EF to the new

Since you have a TLM nearby, the easy answer is to just go to the TLM.

If you haven’t done so, I suggest you read Redemptionis Sacramentum. You, as a member of the faithful, have certain rights when it comes to the liturgy. They are basically summed up as follows:

[57.] It is the right of the community of Christ’s faithful that especially in the Sunday celebration there should customarily be true and suitable sacred music, and that there should always be an altar, vestments and sacred linens that are dignified, proper, and clean, in accordance with the norms.

[58.] All of Christ’s faithful likewise have the right to a celebration of the Eucharist that has been so carefully prepared in all its parts that the word of God is properly and efficaciously proclaimed and explained in it; that the faculty for selecting the liturgical texts and rites is carried out with care according to the norms; and that their faith is duly safeguarded and nourished by the words that are sung in the celebration of the Liturgy.

[59.] The reprobated practice by which Priests, Deacons or the faithful here and there alter or vary at will the texts of the Sacred Liturgy that they are charged to pronounce, must cease. For in doing thus, they render the celebration of the Sacred Liturgy unstable, and not infrequently distort the authentic meaning of the Liturgy.

(Read the WHOLE document)

You have a right, as a member of Christ’s faithful, to petition your pastor to correct abuses. You have the right to request relief from your local Ordinary. And you have the right to appeal to the CDW in Rome. You should do so in charity and, to avoid the possibility of detraction, you should have some type of objective evidence that an abuse regularly occurs. (This could be accomplished by recording the abuses or some other method that provides documentary evidence in addition to your own word)

As for Liturgical dance, the CDW published an opinion back in 1975 (The Religious Dance, an Expression of Spiritual Joy, Notitiae, 11 (1975) 202-205. English translation here). (You can see a scan of the original in Italian here). This opinion has never been reprobated. The opinion is supported by the USCCB Committee on Divine Worship (August 2003 newsletter)

…it cannot be introduced into liturgical celebrations of any kind whatever: that would be to inject into the liturgy one of the most desacralized and desacralizing elements; and so it would be equivalent to creating an atmosphere of profaneness which would easily recall to those present and to the participants in the celebration worldly places and situations.

Neither can acceptance be had of the proposal to introduce into the liturgy the so-called artistic ballet because there would be presentation here also of a spectacle at which one would assist, while in the liturgy one of the norms from which one cannot prescind is that of participation…

Mind you, if your parish supports a large number of people from other cultures (e.g., African, Pacific Islands) there could be some exception for dances that are indiginous to those cultures. But “liturgical dance” as seen in this country is not one of those exceptions.

Bottom line is that the easy answer is to move to the TLM parish. But if you feel compelled to fix the liturgies at your current parish, you have the right to do so…even though it will be a hard slog.

 

[thirddec]

A healthy starting point.

I am the way , the truth and the life

Build your relationship with Christ through prayer and the sacrements. Read the Bible and learn about the doctrines of your faith and where they come from.

Be secure in this yourself first before getting involved with other organisations and groups unless they are pure charity.

The fact you want to be a Trad catholic is a worry because we need unity in the church not parties and tribes. By the way which Saint would you say was a Traditional Catholic,
St francis, St Joan , St Peter, St Paul , The Blessed Virgin ; who would be your role model
after Christ

 

[Stylites]

A healthy starting point.

I am the way , the truth and the life

Build your relationship with Christ through prayer and the sacrements. Read the Bible and learn about the doctrines of your faith and where they come from.

Be secure in this yourself first before getting involved with other organisations and groups unless they are pure charity.

The fact you want to be a Trad catholic is a worry because we need unity in the church not parties and tribes. By the way which Saint would you say was a Traditional Catholic,
St francis, St Joan , St Peter, St Paul , The Blessed Virgin ; who would be your role model
after Christ

Well said, if it were audible.

 

[SouthpawLink]

KaneKatholic,
If you would like to become a traditional Catholic, certainly you should attend the Traditional Latin Mass (Pope Paul VI called the Novus Ordo Mass a new rite, whereas now Pope Benedict XVI calls its the ordinary form of the same rite… which is it?), but there is much more to it than that. Being a traditional Catholic also means holding the traditional Catholic Faith, of which rejects false ecumenism (dialogue, dialogue and more dialogue, with no aim of converting non-Catholics) as well as the Church’s new attitude on Church and State (Pope Benedict has mentioned a “healthy laicism,” rather than upholding Annum Sacrum and Quas Primas). There are a few other issues as well, such as religious liberty, but my point is that being a traditional Catholic generally means adhering to the Faith as it was taught before the Second Vatican Council. It means believing that the Church is the only ark of salvation, rather than believing her to be the merely “ordinary” means of salvation (with the Holy Spirit using heretical sects as means of salvation as well, no less!). You’ll also want to receive the sacraments according to the pre-Vatican II rites (no, I don’t question the new rites’ validity, but I do believe the old ones to be in many ways superior).

Find yourself some pre-Vatican II catechisms so that you may learn the traditional Faith (e.g., the Roman Catechism, the Catechism of Pope St. Pius X, the Baltimore Catechism).

God bless!