i would like to discuss this difficult parable of Christ's - 10 virgins... Purgatory??? Hell??

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the 10 virgins are waiting for their Bridegroom.

that would be Jesus…

there are 5 wise and 5 foolish

my interpretation of this is that there are 5 who really follow Jesus and 5 who only give him lip-service or what have you.

then the end comes and the 5 foolish are not ready… so they are not allowed into Heaven.

But are they allowed into Purgatory? I mean, after all, they are “virgins” which would seem to imply that they are purified at least enough to … be called Christians… if not very good ones…

any comments would be greatly appreciated… never had a priest exlain this in a homily…

(maybe because it had to do with either purgatory or hell or both) :rolleyes:
 
The wise virgins are like those who at the end of time will be ready for the Second Coming. They will have led holy lives and will be ready for when the Bridegroom comes. The foolish virgins are like those who don’t really care - for now, anyway - about the Second Coming because to them it’s far away and they have a lot of time to waste before the Bridegrooms comes. So they are not ready. When the Bridegroom does come, those who are ready will join him, those who are not will plead with the others for help, but the others will not be able to help them.

I’m not sure about the purgatory part, as the very next parable has the man that lost his talent “thrown into the darkness outside, where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” This could mean purgatory or Hell.

I did hear a sermon on this once, but I don’t think the priest mentioned purgatory or Hell. Just what I said above.

Snert
 
I liked your point about the homily. Our priest is similar. Oh well.

I believe the Lord says at the end of this gospel reading, “In truth, I tell you, I do not know you.”

Before this verse, it is said, “Those who were ready went in with him to the wedding hall and the door was closed.”

I believe these two verses indicate the 5 foolish wedding attendants did not get into the banquet hall.

Heaven is another story. The parable pushes us to to be vigilant and live our faith with zeal. If we do our best and stay close to the Church, we will be OK.
 
distracted said:
(maybe because it had to do with either purgatory or hell or both) :rolleyes:
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St. John Chryostom commentary from here seems to suggest it is hell.
"Depart, I know you not."And when He hath said this, nothing else but hell is left, and that intolerable punishment; or rather, this word is more grievous even than hell. This word He speaks to them also that work iniquity?
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The parable is about accepting or rejecting Christ. If anyone in the parable might be subject to purgatory it would likely be the 5 who kept their lamps filled, because the parable is speaking of ultimate reward, not somewhere, partway along the line reward.
 
Hi I am not a good reader.

I cant find purgatory in my books.

When i read i see 6 places
  1. Heaven place of reward for those who keep the two commandments.
  2. The grave, place for the body
  3. The bossam of Abraham (pbuh) where the righteous were b4 heaven opened
  4. A divide between without bottom, kept wrong doers and righteous apart and will be where the dark one will be bound and cast.
  5. The place where the wrong doers are held waiting final judgement.
  6. The lake of fire the final place for wrong doers post final judgement.
Which one is purgatory or is there another place i have missed?

Could you please share where it is in the books so i can learn and help others?
 
Snerticus said:
The wise virgins are like those who at the end of time will be ready for the Second Coming. They will have led holy lives and will be ready for when the Bridegroom comes. The foolish virgins are like those who don’t really care - for now, anyway - about the Second Coming because to them it’s far away and they have a lot of time to waste before the Bridegrooms comes. So they are not ready. When the Bridegroom does come, those who are ready will join him, those who are not will plead with the others for help, but the others will not be able to help them.

I’m not sure about the purgatory part, as the very next parable has the man that lost his talent “thrown into the darkness outside, where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” This could mean purgatory or Hell.

I did hear a sermon on this once, but I don’t think the priest mentioned purgatory or Hell. Just what I said above.

Snert
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I did hear a sermon on this once, but I don’t think the priest mentioned purgatory or Hell

***oh THERE’s a SHOCKER!!! *** :rolleyes:
 
rskempf said:
I liked your point about the homily. Our priest is similar. Oh well.

I believe the Lord says at the end of this gospel reading, “In truth, I tell you, I do not know you.”

Before this verse, it is said, “Those who were ready went in with him to the wedding hall and the door was closed.”

I believe these two verses indicate the 5 foolish wedding attendants did not get into the banquet hall.

Heaven is another story. The parable pushes us to to be vigilant and live our faith with zeal. If we do our best and stay close to the Church, we will be OK.
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what does THIS mean?? the banquet is not Heaven??

***i believe these two verses indicate the 5 foolish wedding attendants did not get into the banquet hall. ***

Heaven is another story
 
DOShea said:
The parable is about accepting or rejecting Christ. If anyone in the parable might be subject to purgatory it would likely be the 5 who kept their lamps filled, because the parable is speaking of ultimate reward, not somewhere, partway along the line reward.
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good point… but they were all waiting for Jesus…

and all called virgins

seems that ifthey rejectedChrist altogether they would have been called whores or something… :o
 
Steven_John said:
Hi I am not a good reader.

I cant find purgatory in my books.

When i read i see 6 places
  1. Heaven place of reward for those who keep the two commandments.
  2. The grave, place for the body
  3. The bossam of Abraham (pbuh) where the righteous were b4 heaven opened
  4. A divide between without bottom, kept wrong doers and righteous apart and will be where the dark one will be bound and cast.
  5. The place where the wrong doers are held waiting final judgement.
  6. The lake of fire the final place for wrong doers post final judgement.
Which one is purgatory or is there another place i have missed?

Could you please share where it is in the books so i can learn and help others?
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i don’t find the word Christian in your post… That doesn’t mean you aren’t one…🙂

as you may know the CatholicChurch doesn’t go by sciprture alone… There are other ancient writings and then there is the Holy Spirit that guides the popes throughout the ages… The Real Presence of Christ abides in the Church, keeping Her from ever teaching error…

Purgatory can be gleaned from parables Jesus told. St Mt 18:23 says the torture the man receives lasts “until” the entire debt is paid… This doesn’t prove anything by itself because elsehwere in the Bible it says some woman did not have any more children until the day she died… 😃

but still… why would it be there if there weren’t something to it? Why doesn’t it just say that the man was tortured and leave it at that???

then there is St Mt 12:32 that speaks of forgiveness in the age to come…

and 1 Cor 3:13…
 
The parable is about being ready. Ready for the Second Coming of Christ, yes – but also the coming of the end of your life. This is also seen in the parable about the thief in the night. You don’t know when Christ will come or you will go to meet Him. Don’t assume you have time. You are not guaranteed a tomorrow, therefore live everyday as if it were your last.

I’m reminded of a Tom Sellick movie where he riles all the hard cases on his first day in town. His companion, shocked, wonders how he’s lived this long. Tom Sellick answers that it just must not be his day to die at which his companion replies ‘the day ain’t over with yet’.

Be prepared constantly to stand before judgment.
 
as you may know the CatholicChurch doesn’t go by sciprture alone… There are other ancient writings and then there is the Holy Spirit that guides the popes throughout the ages… The Real Presence of Christ abides in the Church, keeping Her from ever teaching error…
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Yes i do know this, my question was genunine as i am not a good reader and miss sooooooo much in the word.

Are there any ancient writings before 300AD that i can read?
I dont understand but respect the Catholic Church may perceive reason that i should not read them.

I have also heard there is another Catholic place called limbo do you know of ancient writings on this?

Bless you and thanks for your help
 
Justy90 said:
]* the Church never contradicts Scripture. The fact that you think so means you don’t understand Catholicism or the history of Christianity… or at least not those parts that are Catholic and that would be everything up until 1521 (and beyond).
Says who? I thought that there was no personal interpretation of Scripture?
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Steven_John said:
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Yes i do know this, my question was genunine as i am not a good reader and miss sooooooo much in the word.

Are there any ancient writings before 300AD that i can read?
I dont understand but respect the Catholic Church may perceive reason that i should not read them.

I have also heard there is another Catholic place called limbo do you know of ancient writings on this?

Bless you and thanks for your help
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I dont understand this:

I dont understand but respect the Catholic Church may perceive reason that i should not read them.
 
distracted said:
the Church never contradicts Scripture. The fact that you think so means you don’t understand Catholicism or the history of Christianity… or at least not those parts that are Catholic and that would be everything up until 1521 (and beyond).
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but i would tend to think that you are at least interested in Him or you wouldn’t be here…
If you bothered to look which you obviously didn’t, you will see that I’m a bit more than just merely interested in him. It sounds like you really need to get a clue.
Does everything have to be spelled out???

well, maybe with you… but there is a lot in Scipture that is NOT easily understood… The word Bible isn’t in the Bible either… The word Trinity isn’t there… etc, etc… In 2 Peter (i think) it says that there is no private interpretation of Scipture)
that’s why we have educated priests, bishops, and the pope… who belong, of course, to Christ’s original Church. You can thank M Luther and co. for your confusion…
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I’m not confused and neither was Luther.
and don’t say you are not confused… I was raised Catholic and before i catechized myself years ago (was not catechized as a child… DISASTER ensued…)… but anyhow before i catechized myself… i was confused also…
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i am SO thankful i am NOT anymore… 🙂
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Nope, you still are and always will be. That’s Catholicism. It’s like a game of chess with your soul and emotions.

protestants - thanks to Luther and co… are forced to feel that they must re-invent the wheel…
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distracted said:
the Church never contradicts Scripture. The fact that you think so means you don’t understand Catholicism or the history of Christianity… or at least not those parts that are Catholic and that would be everything up until 1521 (and beyond).

its not my interpretation… I have heard priests speak of this and they are highly educated about the Hebrew and Aramaic languages and Scirpture and history

there is nothing in your post saying that you are a Christian or that you love Jesus either…

but i would tend to think that you are at least interested in Him or you wouldn’t be here…

Does everything have to be spelled out???

well, maybe with you… but there is a lot in Scipture that is NOT easily understood… The word Bible isn’t in the Bible either… The word Trinity isn’t there… etc, etc… In 2 Peter (i think) it says that there is no private interpretation of Scipture)

that’s why we have educated priests, bishops, and the pope… who belong, of course, to Christ’s original Church. You can thank M Luther and co. for your confusion…

and don’t say you are not confused… I was raised Catholic and before i catechized myself years ago (was not catechized as a child… DISASTER ensued…)… but anyhow before i catechized myself… i was confused also…

i am SO thankful i am NOT anymore… 🙂

protestants - thanks to Luther and co… are forced to feel that they must re-invent the wheel…
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I also underwent SELF-CATECHESIS…a sad commentary on the inadequate and uninspiring nature of Catholic education. I went 18 years and never knew that the Eucharist was the Body and Blood of Christ. I thought it was just a wafer. Imagine how I sat there in CCD and didn’t even get taught the obvious basic nature of the Eucharist?!! My two major beefs with Catholicism are a) the Church doesn’t make much of an effort to effectively educate its people and b.) the Catholic Church usually has a “you come to us, we’re sure as heck not coming to you” mentality. The RCC expects people to investigate into it, not reach out and pull folks in like true fishers of men. It’s also more apologetically-oriented than missionary-oriented. Most Catholic converts I know joined because they married a Portuguese, Mexican, or Filipino around here. They joined because the ethnic group into which they married brought them in. Or I know the Scott Hahn Effect, where some scholars set out to mock, chide, and trash Catholicism end up finding they agree with it in the way of the ECF’s etc. In most cases it’s not the RCC coming knocking on one’s door or doing a TV spot, or sending lay folks as missionaries overseas. It’s people seeking, not being sought.
 
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Justy90:
you didn;'t do the quote thing correctly so i don’t have what you said in front of me…

but maybe i don’t need it…

the only real point that i feel needs to be made is that you ARE ignorant of Catholicism…

becaue anyone who knew what I KNOW would be Catholic…

and i don’t care if tht sounds arrogant or not… it just happens to be the truth…
 
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