ICEL transformed: a tradition-minded priest takes charge

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"Apr. 1, 2009 (CWNews.com) -

An English priest with an affinity for the extraordinary form of the Mass has been named the general secretary of the International Commission on English in the Liturgy (ICEL). The appointment highlights the transformation of an agency that was once the bane of conservative Catholics in the English-speaking world…"
 
The point is that a priest with great respect for Catholic tradition and precision of translation regarding liturgical texts will now be heading an organization that heretofore has been known for neither.
 
Chatter163 said:
The point is that a priest with great respect for Catholic tradition and precision of translation regarding liturgical texts will now be heading an organization that heretofore has been known for neither.
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Thanks for sharing this good news!! :dancing:
 
Chatter163 said:
The point is that a priest with great respect for Catholic tradition and precision of translation regarding liturgical texts will now be heading an organization that heretofore has been known for neither.
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Not that I’m opposed to better translations but what’s so traditional about changing liturgical texts? The English OF is precise enough to be valid and well-attended now so what’s the problem?
 
ProVobis said:
Not that I’m opposed to better translations but what’s so traditional about changing liturgical texts? The English OF is precise enough to be valid and well-attended now so what’s the problem?
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You seriously believe that?

How would you render “Et cum spiritu tuo?”

Would you render it as “And also with you?”

The English NO is “good enough.”

Jesus never called for “good enough,” nor should we give our God “good enough.” We should strive to give Him perfect.
 
BayernAnhaenger said:
You seriously believe that?

How would you render “Et cum spiritu tuo?”

Would you render it as “And also with you?”

The English NO is “good enough.”

Jesus never called for “good enough,” nor should we give our God “good enough.” We should strive to give Him perfect.
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We will be saying “And with your spirit” as soon as the new translation is approved by all the English conferences.
 
Phemie said:
We will be saying “And with your spirit” as soon as the new translation is approved by all the English conferences.
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Yeah, I know. 😃 Quite happy about it too.

That doesn’t mean, however, that the rest of the texts are anywhere near perfect.
 
BayernAnhaenger said:
How would you render “Et cum spiritu tuo?”
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I think you miss my point. Why does it matter if you understand it in the original form? I thought the idea of Vatican II was to PRESERVE the Latin, not to translate every word of it to suit your agenda. I don’t consider myself a traditionalist but I’m very disappointed at reading the notes under this thread.

For the record, I’d rather have it “And also with you” if people are more comfortable with it. And I think they are, sorrry.
 
ProVobis said:
I think you miss my point. Why does it matter if you understand it in the original form? I thought the idea of Vatican II was to PRESERVE the Latin, not to translate every word of it to suit your agenda. I don’t consider myself a traditionalist but I’m very disappointed at reading the notes under this thread.

For the record, I’d rather have it “And also with you” if people are more comfortable with it. And I think they are, sorrry.
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I think you’re missing the point of having the rubrics of the Mass?

The idea of Vatican II was indeed to preserve Latin, and have the vernacular be the exception.

I’m not quite sure what you’re saying. Can you please re-state it?

Are you saying that it doesn’t matter that our English translations are very poor translations of the Latin, and that is OK? If so, why?

Are you saying it doesn’t matter what the English says, because we should be using Latin?
 
CradleCath said:
Valid…yes; well-attended…not so much.

cara.georgetown.edu/AttendPR.pdf
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In light of the evidence it is bizarre how rigorous the modernists defence of the ‘spirit of Vatican II’ and the NO Mass has become. It makes me wonder if there are ulterior motives.

Conversely, the days before John XXIII opened that window are being yearned for:

"Fr. Tatman also firmly established the celebration of the Latin form of the mass every Sunday at 12:30 p.m. and twice during the week. He had to learn this Extraordinary Form of the Mass, as it is known, which he believes has helped him in many ways. “It has not just benefited the community,” he said, “but it increased my own involvement and understanding of the Mass. I think it shows in all my Masses as well.”

During the academic year, when students are available to sing, this rite is celebrated as a High Mass, the only one in the area. “It’s our fastest-growing Mass,” he said."
aveherald.com/news/217-fr-tatman-qwere-off-to-a-wonderful-startq.html?tmpl=component&print=1&page=
 
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