ICON - Our Lady Mediatrix of all Graces - Joseph Terelya

  • Thread starter Thread starter JacktheCatholic
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
J

JacktheCatholic

Guest
I received as a present from our priest a replica of the Icon of “Our Lady Mediatrix of all Graces - by Joseph Terelya”.

I am hoping to find out something about this Icon such as what the colors and things in it represent.

It is a RCC Icon and I have heard the colors can differ but otherwise they are vary similiar. I also think EO hold a special reverance wit Icons and are probably more versed in them then say an RCC.

So I am going to post the picture I have and then the orange stickers related to my picture and then a pgoto copy of what I believe is from the original Icon.

Thanks in advance for any help.
 
Josyp Terelya is a claimed visionary with messages of alleged private revelation. His claimed private revelation has no approval from the Church.
 
Ron_Conte said:
Josyp Terelya is a claimed visionary with messages of alleged private revelation. His claimed private revelation has no approval from the Church.
Click to expand...
How about the Icon?

Can you help with explaining it?

I heard the three stars on Mary have a certain meaning.
 
Yes, I’m afraid I got nailed for inadvertently violating a rule on unapproved apparitions-- but this post is about an icon, not apparitions.

I have no problem whatever with icons of the Immaculate Heart of Mary or of this kind, as long as they are written in iconographic good taste and with respect for tradition. Having the inscription in Latin though-- I wouldn’t have gone that far.
 
jj2011 said:
Yes, I’m afraid I got nailed for inadvertently violating a rule on unapproved apparitions-- but this post is about an icon, not apparitions.

I have no problem whatever with icons of the Immaculate Heart of Mary or of this kind, as long as they are written in iconographic good taste and with respect for tradition. Having the inscription in Latin though-- I wouldn’t have gone that far.
Click to expand...
I would guess an EO would use Greek.
 
jj2011 said:
Yes, I’m afraid I got nailed for inadvertently violating a rule on unapproved apparitions-- but this post is about an icon, not apparitions.

I have no problem whatever with icons of the Immaculate Heart of Mary or of this kind, as long as they are written in iconographic good taste and with respect for tradition. Having the inscription in Latin though-- I wouldn’t have gone that far.
Click to expand...
Absolutely. Using Latin is going WAY too far. LOL . :rolleyes:
 
JacktheCatholic said:
How about the Icon?

Can you help with explaining it?

I heard the three stars on Mary have a certain meaning.
Click to expand...
Three stars symbolize that Mary was a virgin before, during and after the Nativity of Christ.

They are also a symbol of the Trinity. Sometimes the star on one shoulder is hidden by the figure of the Christ Child since He is the second person of the Holy Trinity.

Durango
 
Also in case you didn’t know, the letters on each side of Mary (MP OY) are Greek abbreviations for the words Mater Theou, meaning Mother of God.
 
Durango said:
Also in case you didn’t know, the letters on each side of Mary (MP OY) are Greek abbreviations for the words Mater Theou, meaning Mother of God.
Click to expand...
Thanks Durango the information you have provided is exactly the stuff I was hoping to get.

If you can offer anymore I would appreciate it.

Such as the bird, is it a dove and is it the Holy Spirit.

The colors being red or blue or whatever…

And the book in the hand of Jesus.

I was also told something about Jesus looking older than a small child or something like that.
 
You can probably google an email address for him and discus directly with the artist.
 
I don’t have a clue what this icon is symbolizing, but I can point out some traditional iconographic symbolisms.

Someone else already said the three stars are Mary’s perpetual virginity before, during, and after Jesus’ birth. The red robe is for humanity and the blue for divinity. Therefore, Mary’s red is cloaked in blue while Jesus’ blue is cloaked in red. Jesus is not shown as an infant but always shown with mature features, usually more mature than in your icon, to show that he did not grow into his Godhood but was always God.

Someone else already said that MP OY means Mother of God. IC XC is Jesus Christ. They are the first and last letters of each word in Greek.

The book Jesus is holding is the Gospel. I can only remember the Gospel being held in icons of Christ alone. Icons of Christ being held by Mary typically have a scroll. I’m no expert so I would like someone to point out any which I might not be remembering or might not have seen before.

The bird, the fish symbol, and Mary’s handkerchief all are untraditional to the best of my knowledge. The white faces and blue eyes are used, I think mainly in the Russian tradition, but they always look strange to me. One other thing which looks funny to me is how plump Mary is in this one. :o
 
East_and_West said:
Absolutely. Using Latin is going WAY too far. LOL . :rolleyes:
Click to expand...
How is it going too far? Perhaps the West will eventually revitalize it’s Iconography, not very likely of course. In Maronite icons little to no Greek is used, mostly Syriac. Although there are some icons with both.

For example

Alaha minokhoun
Andrew
 
Harpazo said:
How is it going too far? Perhaps the West will eventually revitalize it’s Iconography, not very likely of course. In Maronite icons little to no Greek is used, mostly Syriac. Although there are some icons with both.

For example

Alaha minokhoun
Andrew
Click to expand...
I was being sarcastic. I have no problem with Latin in an Icon.
 
Glory to Jesus Christ!

Hello Woodstock,
I think this post is just fine. I just wanted to make a little possible clarification to what you have posted here (from what little I know 🤷 ). I realize it can be confusing.
Woodstock said:
The red robe is for humanity and the blue for divinity. Therefore, Mary’s red is cloaked in blue while Jesus’ blue is cloaked in red.
Click to expand...
If I am not mistaken, actually in the Greek East, it is reversed. It is the more commonly red which is associated with Divinity.

Usually Latins making icon-like paintings don’t follow that. Due to western custom the Theotokos is associated with the color blue in a big way, so they seem to dress her in red under a big blue cloak so that the color blue predominates.

I think that normally in the Greek east Jesus should be attired in red, sometimes with a blue cloak (the blue cloth is often not covering up much, the red is sometimes very prominent but next to the skin). As it is, in the featured icon we have been discussing Jesus and Mary are both wearing red next to the skin, which might imply to an observent individual who has been exposed to iconographic art that they share a Divine nature. It is a potentially confusing subliminal message that is best avoided.

(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)

Over the clothing next to the skin (which symbolizes the essential nature) Christ puts on humanity (blue or similar outer garment) and Mary puts on Christ (red or similar outer garment) as we all should, hopefully.

It is pretty evident that people are imitating the eastern style because they stick to those colors of red and blue. If I may suggest, I think it would be nice and more authentically western (and appropriate to the thinking) with white under blue for Mary. I am sure some very nice paintings can be developed in that color scheme, so long as Christ is dressed in a different color exclusive to Him.

http://www.pravmir.com/uploads/resize_of_70362.jpeg Welcome catholicbook.com - Hostmonster.com
 
Hesychios said:
If I am not mistaken, actually in the Greek East, it is reversed.
Click to expand...
The reason the Greek East chose the color blue to represent humanity is because human blood looks blue in veins under the skin.

Durango
 
One thing that strikes a bit different also, is the face of Christ. He looks like a child, instead of an adult. Chrsit as a child, always has the face of an adult because ‘he was born with the wisdom of the ages’.
 
Hesychios said:
If I am not mistaken, actually in the Greek East, it is reversed. It is the more commonly red which is associated with Divinity.
Click to expand...
Thank you. As you guessed, it is what I meant to say. Only when you pointed it out did I read what I actually wrote and not what I thought I had written. Thank you for catching and correcting it.
 
Woodstock said:
I don’t have a clue what this icon is symbolizing, but I can point out some traditional iconographic symbolisms.

Someone else already said the three stars are Mary’s perpetual virginity before, during, and after Jesus’ birth. The red robe is for humanity and the blue for divinity. Therefore, Mary’s red is cloaked in blue while Jesus’ blue is cloaked in red. Jesus is not shown as an infant but always shown with mature features, usually more mature than in your icon, to show that he did not grow into his Godhood but was always God.

Someone else already said that MP OY means Mother of God. IC XC is Jesus Christ. They are the first and last letters of each word in Greek.

The book Jesus is holding is the Gospel. I can only remember the Gospel being held in icons of Christ alone. Icons of Christ being held by Mary typically have a scroll. I’m no expert so I would like someone to point out any which I might not be remembering or might not have seen before.

The bird, the fish symbol, and Mary’s handkerchief all are untraditional to the best of my knowledge. The white faces and blue eyes are used, I think mainly in the Russian tradition, but they always look strange to me. One other thing which looks funny to me is how plump Mary is in this one. :o
Click to expand...
Awesome!

A ton of info. Thanks
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top