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I studied this a little in art school, but more from a secular point of view. They had some woman on EWTN talking about making iconography yesterday morning. Did anyone else catch this program? If so, what was her name? I thought what she had to say as fascinating and I’m looking for a little more information and links, if you have them.

Do you have to be Eastern Orthodox to paint this way? Can other artist incorporate some or even all of the principles behind the making of this artwork into their paintings and come up with what would be considered a true icon? I think that the artist was talking about fasting before painting and then the Holy Spirit working through her to create these images. Did I get that right? I could only watch about half the show, because I had to tear myself away to get the kids up for Mass.
 
I studied this a little in art school, but more from a secular point of view. They had some woman on EWTN talking about making iconography yesterday morning. Did anyone else catch this program? If so, what was her name? I thought what she had to say as fascinating and I’m looking for a little more information and links, if you have them.

Do you have to be Eastern Orthodox to paint this way? Can other artist incorporate some or even all of the principles behind the making of this artwork into their paintings and come up with what would be considered a true icon? I think that the artist was talking about fasting before painting and then the Holy Spirit working through her to create these images. Did I get that right? I could only watch about half the show, because I had to tear myself away to get the kids up for Mass.
Just a little nit-pick: Icons are not “painted” they are “written.” God Bless.
 
Within the Byzantine tradition there are certain rules as to what constitutes a canonical Icon. Other then that, I don’t really know much else about the subject…
 
Just a little nit-pick: Icons are not “painted” they are “written.” God Bless.
Actually, they are painted NOT written.😛

This terminology is used by Western Christians as part of a mistranslation of the Russian name for an iconographer.:eek:

Talk to any master iconographer, especially the Russian ones, and they will tell that they paint an icon, NOT write one.👍
 
Do you have to be Eastern Orthodox to paint this way? Can other artist incorporate some or even all of the principles behind the making of this artwork into their paintings and come up with what would be considered a true icon? I think that the artist was talking about fasting before painting and then the Holy Spirit working through her to create these images. Did I get that right? I could only watch about half the show, because I had to tear myself away to get the kids up for Mass.
Yes, fasting can and is often a part of the painting of an icon. This also has to do with the medical of the iconographer.

The iconographers that I know and study or have studied with incorporate prayer, chant music and incense as part of the painting of an icon as well. There are scriputal and religous readings that are associated with the icon being painted.

There are also some set rules that every iconographer must follow. Each icon has certain things that must be portrayed and certain colors that cannot be changed.

Hope this helps…
 
Actually, they are painted NOT written.😛

This terminology is used by Western Christians as part of a mistranslation of the Russian name for an iconographer.:eek:

Talk to any master iconographer, especially the Russian ones, and they will tell that they paint an icon, NOT write one.👍
Then I stand corrected…I have always heard them speak of Icons being written…prehaps I run in different circles. 😃

But, hold your horses here for a moment! The link provided below refers to them as “written.” Conclusion: Both uses are acceptable.

religiousicons.com/hand-painted-icons/
 
Actually, they are painted NOT written.😛

This terminology is used by Western Christians as part of a mistranslation of the Russian name for an iconographer.:eek:

Talk to any master iconographer, especially the Russian ones, and they will tell that they paint an icon, NOT write one.👍
Why is it “written”?
 
Yes, fasting can and is often a part of the painting of an icon. This also has to do with the medical of the iconographer.

The iconographers that I know and study or have studied with incorporate prayer, chant music and incense as part of the painting of an icon as well. There are scriputal and religous readings that are associated with the icon being painted.

**There are also some set rules that every iconographer must follow. Each icon has certain things that must be portrayed and certain colors that cannot be changed. **

Hope this helps…
Yeah, that was the impression I got from the program. She was saying that, for example, the face of Christ is painted a certain way because this is what has been handed down for centuries.
 
Why is it “written”?
*********ST. GREGORY THE DIALOGIST
From St. Gregory the Dialogist (Pope of Rome ca. 590-604)… “For what writing presents to readers, this a picture presents to the unlearned who behold, since in it even the ignorant see what they ought to follow; in it the illiterate read” (Epistle to Bishop Serenus of Marseilles, NPNF 2, Vol. XIII, p. 53). Icons are therefore the Bible written in picture.

One of the hardest understandings for man is the Triune God. Rublev was the first of the icon writers to attempt this explanation, using the same Scripture, but a different perspective…Genesis 18:1-8; The LORD appeared to Abraham by the terebinth of Mamre, as he sat in the entrance of his tent, while the day was growing hot. Looking up, he saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he ran from the entrance of the tent to greet them; and bowing to the ground, he said: “Sir, if I may ask you this favor, please do not go on past your servant. Let some water be brought, that you may bathe your feet, and then rest yourselves under the tree. Now that you have come this close to your servant, let me bring you a little food, that you may refresh yourselves; and afterward you may go on your way.” “Very well,” they replied, “do as you have said.” Abraham hastened into the tent and told Sarah, “Quick, three seahs of fine flour! Knead it and make rolls.” He ran to the herd, picked out a tender, choice steer, and gave it to a servant, who quickly prepared it. Then he got some curds and milk, as well as the steer that had been prepared, and set these before them; and he waited on them under the tree while they ate. “Where is your wife Sarah?” they asked him. “There in the tent,” he replied. One of them said, “I will surely return to you about this time next year, and Sarah will then have a son.” Sarah was listening at the entrance of the tent, just behind him. Now Abraham and Sarah were old, advanced in years, and Sarah had stopped having her womanly periods. So Sarah laughed to herself and said, “Now that I am so withered and my husband is so old, am I still to have sexual pleasure?” But the LORD said to Abraham: “Why did Sarah laugh and say, ‘Shall I really bear a child, old as I am?’ Is anything too marvelous for the LORD to do? At the appointed time, about this time next year, I will return to you, and Sarah will have a son.” Because she was afraid, Sarah dissembled, saying, “I didn’t laugh.” But he said, “Yes you did.” The men set out from there and looked down toward Sodom; Abraham was walking with them, to see them on their way. The LORD reflected: "Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do, now that he is to become a great and populous nation, and all the nations of the earth are to find blessing in him?

Most iconographers used the hospitality of Abraham (above), to explain the Trinity, being faithful to add all the subjects in the Scripture because of the Biblical prohibition against depicting God. In Abraham’s hospitality, they used Abraham and Sarah, the servant killing the fatted calf, and the three wanders to teach of God. Rublev left out all of these details and focused entirely on the three wanders, the angels. In his icon the angels are equaly important, thereby challengeing people to look at the dogmatic understanding of the icon which reveals to the heart and eyes of all who meditate upon this icon, that the three hypostasis are love, that which fills the Triune God pointing ever-foward to the Eucharist - the chalice in the center of the table.

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Check this website of a priest from Syro Malabar Church,

holyicons-kooroth.com/index.htm

“Accordingly, the icon should be treated as expressing the historical Church, its traditions and Sacred Scripture, and not as mere personal works of art that seek to express an individual artist’s view. They are made and used in an atmosphere of prayer, to draw the people of God to an encounter with the Divine Presence. They seek to express the beauty of revealed God, inviting the viewer to contemplate on it.”

Gallery of Icons written by Fr. Jacob Kooroth

holyicons-kooroth.com/index_files/Page956.htm

The Indian Saint Alphonsa Icons,



holyicons-kooroth.com/index_files/Page1528.htm
 
ST. GREGORY THE DIALOGIST
From St. Gregory the Dialogist (Pope of Rome ca. 590-604)… “For what writing presents to readers, this a picture presents to the unlearned who behold, since in it even the ignorant see what they ought to follow; in it the illiterate read” (Epistle to Bishop Serenus of Marseilles, NPNF 2, Vol. XIII, p. 53). Icons are therefore the Bible written in picture
You do not write a picture, you paint a picture or draw a picture:D

Even Archmandrite Zennon, in his writings and interviews, states that he paints
icons:eek:
 
The Holy Fathers of the 7th Ecumenical Council that established the use of icons in worship stated: “The tradition of making images… existed even at the time of the preaching of Christianity by the Apostles… Iconography is by no means an invention of painters but is, on the contrary, an established law and tradition of the Church.” (From THE MEANING OF ICONS by Leonid Ouspensky and Vladimir lossky)

So, even the Holy Fathers of the Council say that icons are painted by painters…😃
 
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