IDEALISTICALLY speaking, should prosperity be based on good moral character?

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Most of your threads involve something that involves undoing original sin or its effects.
  • Should I be able to leave my doors unlocked and not be robbed?
  • Should I be able to eat and not gain weight?
  • Should I be able to watch football and not see a commercial for Cialis?*
It all sounds great, but time is more practically spent finding solutions that presume the existence of sin and fallen human nature. To do otherwise does a disservice to those who need our help, as our solutions will always fail.
  • I agree, this one can and should be fixed post haste.
 
No, I don’t. Here’s why: If people of good moral character made more money/got better jobs/received more ______, don’t you think that would motivate a lot of very cruel, manipulative, hurtful people to behave as people of good character for material gain? I don’t want to live in a world that disingenuous. Besides, if you’re leaving your child with a sitter, your parent with a caretaker, or dating a promising new partner, don’t you want to see the real them? Adding even more incentives for bad people to lie is never good.

Besides, the best people I’ve met wouldn’t want financial rewards for it.

And finally, my number one reason…I don’t think that in an ideal world good people should get better things. I think that in an ideal world, people would seek happiness in less materialistic ways. Rewarding good character with money or stuff is a step back from where we should go. We should be helping others find joy and peace in being of service to others, spending time with loved ones, and learning.
 
BlueEyedLady said:
No, I don’t. Here’s why: If people of good moral character made more money/got better jobs/received more ______, don’t you think that would motivate a lot of very cruel, manipulative, hurtful people to behave as people of good character for material gain? I don’t want to live in a world that disingenuous. Besides, if you’re leaving your child with a sitter, your parent with a caretaker, or dating a promising new partner, don’t you want to see the real them? Adding even more incentives for bad people to lie is never good.

Besides, the best people I’ve met wouldn’t want financial rewards for it.

And finally, my number one reason…I don’t think that in an ideal world good people should get better things. I think that in an ideal world, people would seek happiness in less materialistic ways. Rewarding good character with money or stuff is a step back from where we should go. We should be helping others find joy and peace in being of service to others, spending time with loved ones, and learning.
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I’m not really looking to create a utopia or anything, but I was merely wondering what peoples’ response would be.

If in a position where you could ‘rescue’ a homeless person of good moral character or a homeless person with very poor morals and values, who would you choose? Remember that God judges with equity.

LOVE! ❤️
 
Robert_Sock said:
I’m not really looking to create a utopia or anything, but I was merely wondering what peoples’ response would be.

If in a position where you could ‘rescue’ a homeless person of good moral character or a homeless person with very poor morals and values, who would you choose? Remember that God judges with equity.

LOVE! ❤️
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I would help the person with the lower moral character.
 
TEPO said:
I would help the person with the lower moral character.
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May I ask why? Choosing the person with poor morals and values would be to risk him squandering whatever prosperity you would entrust them with.

LOVE! ❤️
 
Robert_Sock said:
May I ask why? Choosing the person with poor morals and values would risk him squandering whatever prosperity you would entrust them with.

LOVE! ❤️
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This world may be the only good he ever knows. Let him enjoy this little bit of goodness while he can.
 
Robert_Sock said:
I’m not really looking to create a utopia or anything, but I was merely wondering what peoples’ response would be.

If in a position where you could ‘rescue’ a homeless person of good moral character or a homeless person with very poor morals and values, who would you choose? Remember that God judges with equity.

LOVE! ❤️
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I have made community service a priority in my life ever since I started college. Not once in the last near decade have I ever concerned myself with the moral character of those I’m helping. Frankly, the idea of doing so makes me uncomfortable and sad. Judging who is “worthy” of help is just not something I could do, and I think most people I know who are committed to service feel the same.

Maybe it’s just my perspective because my father is a homeless drunk. He did not contribute to my upbringing in any way and I have only ever spoken with him briefly. But despite his failings, I don’t want him on the street. He is my father, and if someone could help him, I would beg them to do so, regardless of the things he’s done. Granted, there really is no help that could be given and no way to save him-that’s on him now. But if it could be done, I would hope that whoever was in that position would do it.
 
BlueEyedLady said:
I have made community service a priority in my life ever since I started college. Not once in the last near decade have I ever concerned myself with the moral character of those I’m helping. Frankly, the idea of doing so makes me uncomfortable and sad. Judging who is “worthy” of help is just not something I could do, and I think most people I know who are committed to service feel the same.

Maybe it’s just my perspective because my father is a homeless drunk. He did not contribute to my upbringing in any way and I have only ever spoken with him briefly. But despite his failings, I don’t want him on the street. He is my father, and if someone could help him, I would beg them to do so, regardless of the things he’s done. Granted, there really is no help that could be given and no way to save him-that’s on him now. But if it could be done, I would hope that whoever was in that position would do it.
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I strongly agree that everyone should have the basic necessities, including shelter. But I think those with good moral character will, through God’s help, receive peoples’ help the most.

LOVE! ❤️
 
BlueEyedLady said:
I have made community service a priority in my life ever since I started college. Not once in the last near decade have I ever concerned myself with the moral character of those I’m helping. Frankly, the idea of doing so makes me uncomfortable and sad. Judging who is “worthy” of help is just not something I could do, and I think most people I know who are committed to service feel the same.

Maybe it’s just my perspective because my father is a homeless drunk. He did not contribute to my upbringing in any way and I have only ever spoken with him briefly. But despite his failings, I don’t want him on the street. He is my father, and if someone could help him, I would beg them to do so, regardless of the things he’s done. Granted, there really is no help that could be given and no way to save him-that’s on him now. But if it could be done, I would hope that whoever was in that position would do it.
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Also, nobody should ever darken the path of those with poor morals and values, lest they stumble and fall, but it may be of help to them if we remove those paths that may cause them complacency, so that they may better focus on personal and spiritual growth.

As for me, I pray that I’m able to turn each day into a righteous sacrifice by never gaining complacency for myself.

LOVE! ❤️
 
Robert_Sock said:
Also, nobody should ever darken the path of those with poor morals and values, lest they stumble and fall, but it may be of help to them if we remove those paths that may cause them complacency, so that they may better focus on personal and spiritual growth.

As for me, I pray that I’m able to turn each day into a righteous sacrifice by never gaining complacency for myself.

LOVE! ❤️
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I may not be understanding your post properly, but it seems very…well… “complacent” to me.
Are you saying that you’re righteous,( I’m ok!)…so you don’t go around those reprobate people in the streets of low moral character using the excuses that it might be contagious to you and that it’s kinder to…“remove those paths” (what does that mean, practically speaking?)
I do hope I misunderstood.
 
BlueEyedLady said:
I have made community service a priority in my life ever since I started college. Not once in the last near decade have I ever concerned myself with the moral character of those I’m helping. Frankly, the idea of doing so makes me uncomfortable and sad. Judging who is “worthy” of help is just not something I could do, and I think most people I know who are committed to service feel the same.

Maybe it’s just my perspective because my father is a homeless drunk. He did not contribute to my upbringing in any way and I have only ever spoken with him briefly. But despite his failings, I don’t want him on the street. He is my father, and if someone could help him, I would beg them to do so, regardless of the things he’s done. Granted, there really is no help that could be given and no way to save him-that’s on him now. But if it could be done, I would hope that whoever was in that position would do it.
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I can relate (very much!) to your experience and to your sentiments and perspective as well. It might have been easier for you to come up with rationalizations or resentments. I applaud you for taking the high road instead.
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MacQ said:
I may not be understanding your post properly, but it seems very…well… “complacent” to me.
Are you saying that you’re righteous,( I’m ok!)…so you don’t go around those reprobate people in the streets of low moral character using the excuses that it might be contagious to you and that it’s kinder to…“remove those paths” (what does that mean, practically speaking?)
I do hope I misunderstood.
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We are all on a spiritual journey in this life, and I do not think that it’s always a good idea to intentionally try to change one’s course in life because it may sometimes hinder them spiritually. It’s not this life that we ought to be concerned with, but the World-to-Come.

I’m a big proponent in helping those in poverty, even those with relatively poor morals and values. I believe everybody should have their basic needs met, including shelter, but I would not want to interfere with God’s plan by providing complacency to a person who may then not be saved religiously.

No, I’m not in any way trying to say that I’m righteous, but that I would like to transform every day of my life into a righteous sacrifice.

LOVE! ❤️
 
Robert_Sock said:
We are all on a spiritual journey in this life, and I do not think that it’s always a good idea to intentionally try to change one’s course in life because it may sometimes hinder them spiritually. It’s not this life that we ought to be concerned with, but the World-to-Come.

I’m a big proponent in helping those in poverty, even those with relatively poor morals and values. I believe everybody should have their basic needs met, including shelter, but I would not want to interfere with God’s plan by providing complacency to a person who may then not be saved religiously.

No, I’m not in any way trying to say that I’m righteous, but that I would like to transform every day of my life into a righteous sacrifice.

LOVE! ❤️
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So you’re saying you wouldn’t “enable” someone or provide unnecessary rescue measures…is that it?
If so, I get that.
 
MacQ said:
So you’re saying you wouldn’t “enable” someone or provide unnecessary rescue measures…is that it?
If so, I get that.
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Sorry, but I do not follow what you’re trying to say.

LOVE! ❤️
 
MacQ said:
I’m asking what you mean by “providing complacency”…
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Providing an environment where people have the feeling that they are satisfied with themselves and their lives.

LOVE! ❤️
 
To be perfectly honest, if we’re going to speak about how we would ideally like the world rather than something that would be practically attainable, why stop at wishing only that the wealthy are good people? Why not just say the ideal is that all people are good people. Since this is all hypothetical anyway it certainly seems like that would be more ideal than having people with varying levels of morality and matching prosperity to that.
 
thewanderer said:
to be perfectly honest, if we’re going to speak about how we would ideally like the world rather than something that would be practically attainable, why stop at wishing only that the wealthy are good people? Why not just say the ideal is that all people are good people. Since this is all hypothetical anyway it certainly seems like that would be more ideal than having people with varying levels of morality and matching prosperity to that.
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post of the day!!!
 
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