Ideas for explaining the 'visible church' to non-Catholics?

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Calgar said:
That’s a silly question. Why are you leaving the roman catholic church out of that question? There are several churches that claim to be THE church that Christ started.
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Oh boy…here we go again.
 
Calgar said:
That’s a silly question. Why are you leaving the roman catholic church out of that question? There are several churches that claim to be THE church that Christ started.
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None but the Catholic and Orthodox Churches existed before the 1500s AD; Jesus wasn’t around in the 1500s; therefore none of them are what they claim to be.
 
Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:5
 
Were there any Baptists at the Council of Nicaea?

By the way, I’m not presuming to know how you would answer, Calgar, and would appreciate your thoughts on this. There are some Baptists who try to trace their lineage back to the ancient church and I’ve never quite understood that analysis.
 
stewstew03 said:
Were there any Baptists at the Council of Nicaea?

By the way, I’m not presuming to know how you would answer, Calgar, and would appreciate your thoughts on this. There are some Baptists who try to trace their lineage back to the ancient church and I’ve never quite understood that analysis.
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Southern Baptists believe that “the church” is all Christians. Whether you’re roman catholic, methodist, group of people meeting in a basement, etc., if you are Christian you are the church.

The council of Nicaea was a council of Christians of the time. I don’t know why anyone would think a modern denomination would have been there.
 
Calgar said:
Southern Baptists believe that “the church” is all Christians. Whether you’re roman catholic, methodist, group of people meeting in a basement, etc., if you are Christian you are the church.
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I’m not sure all SBC members agree with you on this point. As I’ve pointed out on other threads, SBC churches (via NAMB) actively seek to convert Catholics (e.g., they seek out Catholic communities, they have literature explaining how to “witness” to Catholics, etc.). They use a similar approach with LDS members and JW members (as if there’s a theological equivalency). Why would Catholics need to be converted if they are considered Christians…?
The council of Nicaea was a council of Christians of the time. I don’t know why anyone would think a modern denomination would have been there.
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I’m not referring to denominations, I’m referring to beliefs. Were there any members of the Council of Nicaea who might have subscribed to Southern Baptist views on salvation, baptism, etc.?
 
stewstew03 said:
I’m not sure all SBC members agree with you on this point. As I’ve pointed out on other threads, SBC churches (via NAMB) actively seek to convert Catholics (e.g., they seek out Catholic communities, they have literature explaining how to “witness” to Catholics, etc.). They use a similar approach with LDS members and JW members (as if there’s a theological equivalency). Why would Catholics need to be converted if they are considered Christians…?

Quick question: Is everyone who calls themself a roman catholic a Christian? I think there’s another thread on this topic somewhere else…
stewstew03;9019366:
I’m not referring to denominations, I’m referring to beliefs. Were there any members of the Council of Nicaea who might have subscribed to Southern Baptist views on salvation, baptism, etc.?
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I don’t know about the ordinances, but salvation by faith alone? Yes.
 
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Calgar said:
Baptist is just a name for a group of Christians. I don’t think anyone actually called themselves baptist that long ago. 👍
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The cathars called themselves “Good Christians” while denying the omnipotence of God, forbidding marriage and starving themselves. Sounds like a false gospel to me.
 
Cat_Herder said:
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The cathars called themselves “Good Christians” while denying the omnipotence of God, forbidding marriage and starving themselves. Sounds like a false gospel to me.
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Help me understand. You’re comparing southern baptists to these cathars?
 
Cat_Herder said:
If you don’t think the Council of Nicea fathers held to baptism, I think you need to study history and think things over
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I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but southern baptists do practice baptism using the trinitarian formula.
 
Calgar said:
Quick question: Is everyone who calls themself a roman catholic a Christian? I think there’s another thread on this topic somewhere else…

I don’t know about the ordinances, but salvation by faith alone? Yes.
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Names of early church fathers who attended Nicaea in 325 A.D, who defended faith alone saves?
 
Nicea325 said:
Names of early church fathers who attended Nicaea in 325 A.D, who defended faith alone saves?
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I wasn’t there (I don’t know your age 😛 ), but I know that the creed that came out of that council didn’t say anything for or against it. 🙂
 
Calgar said:
I wasn’t there (I don’t know your age 😛 ), but I know that the creed that came out of that council didn’t say anything for or against it. 🙂
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I am old enough…but not 1700 years old…😃 Well wouldn’t something so vital for our soul be remotely mentioned? Second, why would any ECF need to wait at Nicaea to bring it up? I am sure it would have been mentioned in writings as were many other orthodox teachings prior to 325 A.D.
 
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