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Calgar
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Many will cry out: Lord! Lord! and will be told to depart for He knows them not.
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jlhargus
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JL: Could you post a scripture showing baptism as a profession of faith only? That would contradict scripture. What do the scriptures tell us about baptism the first time the Gospel was preached at Pentecost.
Acts2:37 Now WHEN THEY HEARD this, THEY WERE PRICKED IN THEIR HEART, AND SAID unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, WHAT SHALL WE DO? 38 Then PETER SAID unto them, REPENT, and BE BAPTIZED EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, and ye shall RECEIVE the gift of THE HOLY GHOST. The PROMISE is unto you, AND to your CHILDREN, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.]
Peter said, REPENT, BE BAPTIZED EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR remission of sins, RECEIVE the gift of the Holy Spirit. If baptism was a profession of faith only instead of a Sacrament. Peter should have said, Since you now believe you have received the Holy Spirit. Now you can be water baptized as a profession of that faith.
[Acts2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, **SAVE YOURSELVES from the untoward generation. 41 THEN they that gladly RECEIVED his word were BAPTIZED: and the SAME DAY were ADDED UNTO THEM about three thousand souls. 42 And THEY CONTINUED stedfastly IN THE APOSTLES’ DOCTRINE and FELLOWSHIP, and in BREAKING OF BREAD (Mass), and in PRAYERS.] How did those people SAVE THEMSELVES from the untoward generation? By being BAPTIZED thru which they WERE ADDED to that ONE VISIBLE Apostolic Fellowship the Body of Christ the Church.
Eph4:4 There is ONE BODY, and ONE SPIRIT, even as ye are called in ONE HOPE of your calling; 5 ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, 6 ONE GOD and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and IN YOU ALL.
[TITUS 3:5 **NOT by WORKS…we’ve done BUT by HIS MERCY he SAVED us BY the WASHING of REGENERATION and RENEWING of the HOLY SPIRIT 6 which he POURED OUT ON US richly THROUGH JESUS Christ our Savior 7 SO we might be JUSTIFIED BY his GRACE and become HEIRS…]
How does scripture tell us we are washed? Act22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and BE BAPTIZED, and WASH AWAY THY SINS, calling on the name of the Lord. How does scripture tell us we become a child of God?
[Gal 3:26 For YE ARE all the CHILDREN OF GOD by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For AS MANY of you **AS HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED into Christ HAVE PUT ON CHRIST.]
2Cor5:17 Therefore, if ANY ONE is IN CHRIST, he IS A NEW CREATION; the old has passed away, behold, the new has come.
Eph 4:22 PUT OFF THE OLD MAN that belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful lusts, 23 and BE RENEWED in the spirit of your minds, 24 and PUT ON THE NEW MAN, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.
The Sacrament of Baptism not only remits, washes and cleanses, of sins but regenerates our soul, by POURING OUT the Holy Spirit. That indwelling Holy Spirit, justifies us by his grace making us a child of God and heirs. In baptism the body is now dead to sin, whereas before the soul was dead, and slave to the flesh. Now the body (flesh) is subject to the regenerated soul, by the Holy Spirit indwelling. Now we no longer live in old Adam but are born again into the new Adam.
Jn3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee. EXCEPT a man be BORN AGAIN, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jn3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, EXCEPT a man be BORN of water AND of the Spirit, he CANNOT ENTER into the KINGDOM OF GOD.
[Eph5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 **That he might SANCTIFY and CLEANSE it WITH THE WASHING OF WATER BY THE WORD,]
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jlhargus
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JL: So you don’t hold the doctrine of BELIEVERS BAPTISM. Does your particular Baptist Church also baptize infants if not why if it’s sufficient? I have Baptist relatives and know many Baptist. I know none who would accept an infant’s baptism as sufficient.
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Calgar
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Is a say-so Christian a non-Christian who attends church?
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Calgar
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I didn’t read his post correctly. I didn’t see that he was baptised as an infant.
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Calgar
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Nope.
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Calgar
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You guys are slinging questions left and right. Mind answering a couple of my questions? They seem to be being ignored.
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Cat_Herder
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A say-so Christian, as my childhood AG pastor put it, is one who goes to church, accepts Jesus as his personal Lord and Savior and then basically fails to do good works. He contrasted that with a do-so Christian who worked out his faith through love.
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stewstew03
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Don’t Baptist pastors invoke their authority by baptizing “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”? If that’s not an attempt to perform a Holy act, I don’t know what is…
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jlhargus
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JL: Exactly, there is no such scripture. Baptism as a profession of faith can only be a tradition of men made a doctrine to nullify baptism as a Sacrament. Scripture clearly tells us the Sacrament of Baptism remits, washes away sin and gives the Holy Spirit. One is BORN AGAIN a child of God.
[1Cor6:11 And such were some of you. But **YOU WERE WASHED you were SANCTIFIED, you were JUSTIFIED in the NAME of the Lord JESUS Christ AND in the SPIRIT OF OUR GOD.]
[Titus 3:5 NOT BY WORKS of righteousness…we have done BUT BY HIS MERCY **he saved us BY the **WASHING of REGENERATION **and RENEWING OF THE HOLY GHOST]
[Eph5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 **That he might SANCTIFY and CLEANSE it WITH THE WASHING OF WATER BY THE WORD,]
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jlhargus
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JL: Could you post those questions and I’ll try to answer them?
Then I ask again;
If I were to convert to a Baptist Church, would my Trinitarian baptism, performed a month and a day after I was born, be considered a sufficient baptism? Or would I have to be baptized again (re-baptized)?
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jlhargus
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JL: No, conversely does FAITH ALONE matter if you don’t do anything? No.
[1Cor13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and **THOUGH I HAVE ALL FAITH, so that I could remove mountains, AND HAVE NOT CHARITY, I am nothing.]
[Jms2:17 Even so **FAITH, IF IT HATH NOT WORKS, IS DEAD, BEING ALONE. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD?]
[Jms2:26 For AS THE **BODY WITHOUT THE SPIRIT IS DEAD, so **FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD **ALSO.] FAITH ALONE is as useless as a body without a spirit (soul) they are both dead. FAITH ALONE SAVES can only be a tradition of men. It isn’t found in scripture except in James where it’s called DEAD FAITH.
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Calgar
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Posts 201, 209, and 218. I think I got the post numbers right.
What is your JL: mean? I thought you were talking to someone else there for a moment.
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Calgar
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I believe it would not.
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Calgar
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What do you think comes first, faith or works? Or do they happen at the exact same time?
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Calgar
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Are you asking or telling?
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ESMDHokie77
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He’s telling you that this is what seems to be the case given what you have said.
Inferring.
Correct, and I didn’t mean it as an accusation.
The Nicene Creed says, “I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sin.”
So, I take it, Calgar, you reject the Nicene Creed.
Jon
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