Ideas for Penance, please

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Re: spiritual director –

A spiritual director, or your parish priest, is like a coach or a doctor for your spiritual life.

Doing penance or mortification or ascetic practices is like doing exercises. (That’s what the word “ascetic” means – somebody doing athletic training.)

If you’re just doing normal amounts of sit-ups and push-ups and jumping jacks, you can do that on your own. If you want to do something more elaborate or huge, you need to consult a coach or a sports medicine doctor. Because if you do the wrong exercises at the wrong time or in the wrong way, you will hurt yourself and set back your training. And some exercises (like weightlifting or gymnastics up high) need a spotter to be there with you, to stop dangerous stuff, and keep you from hurting yourself with nobody there to help.

Frankly, you are probably at the sit-ups and push-ups stage. Most people are, even great saints. It’s natural to desire to do more, but it’s also natural to wish you were on the Olympics 2012 team. And if you got on the team, you’d find out that the other athletes were still mostly doing normal exercises, just more perfectly because they’ve got so much practice doing them.

The Rosary is wonderful for penance, for yourself and for others. You might like to say the Divine Mercy Chaplet instead, since it is a prayer of atonement. But all kinds of simple prayers and ordinary Bible reading are good for this stuff. Do a normal amount of prayer every day, with your whole heart and mind as much as you can; go to Mass; go to Confession reasonably often; do good works, even if they’re very small; keep getting to know Jesus and how He loves you; and talk to your priest about what to do. You could do just that, and it could train you into a saint.

Also, if you’re upset, don’t try to add on a bunch of new stuff. Gear up slowly and make each thing a real habit. And make certain you talk to your priest.
 
Thank you to all posters, this issue has been clarified for me now, I am grateful for all your advice.
God Bless all
 
1.) Buy a cilice. $10. Use 1 hr on the thigh. It doesn’t hurt, it’s not medievil. It reminds you to not sin and feels uncomfortable. It’s comparable to sackcloth.

This is very bad advice! Physical mortifications should only be practiced under the guidance of a spiritual adviser. We must not undertake them on our own.

2.) Do a chore that is not a routine chore. It is an act of love.

Thoughts?
 
Again, not something you should be doing on your own.
Talk to your priest.
I cannot speak to anything regarding Opus Dei, but I really cannot imagine that they would suggest the use of a cilice without the supervision of a priest, and if they are, that is a huge red flag, IMHO!
They would never suggest the use of a cilice without the supervision of a priest. In fact, it is only the Numerary Memebers (those who life in Opus Dei centers and live celibate lives) who are the ones who may usually use them, under strict supervision.

Supernumerary members (I am one) are recommended to use mortifications that are, really, very easy (and yet can be difficult!) such as (1) eating more of the food we dislike and less of our favorite foods, (2) smiling (with sincerity) at people who irritate us; (3) ending your nice warm shower with cold (shiver, shiver), etc. This way, you can perform numerous mortifications each day, without doing anything strange or weird.
 
Another point, perhaps useful to others is to not do acts of physical prayer, prayer of the senses alone. ASSUMING one has received direct coaching from a solid spiritual director to do some acts of mortification, then do them quietly, do them well, do them cheerfully WITH GOD. Do them in conversation with God. Think of fasting…we shouldn’t fast alone, but instead we should use our body’s natural reflexes, its pangs of hunger to spur on a closer and more intimate conversation with God. “Lord, I offer this little sacrifice for you, out of great love, why did you make food smell so good…help me in my little struggle, etc”
 
Thanks for the info Joan M, it’s good to hear!!

Also, those are some interesting “mortifications”, especially the smiling one. I will have to try it. 😛
As far as the cold water, I’ve done that for years because someone told me once it was good for my hair, something about closing the “cuticle”, who’d a thought it could be a ‘penance’. 😉
They would never suggest the use of a cilice without the supervision of a priest. In fact, it is only the Numerary Memebers (those who life in Opus Dei centers and live celibate lives) who are the ones who may usually use them, under strict supervision.

Supernumerary members (I am one) are recommended to use mortifications that are, really, very easy (and yet can be difficult!) such as (1) eating more of the food we dislike and less of our favorite foods, (2) smiling (with sincerity) at people who irritate us; (3) ending your nice warm shower with cold (shiver, shiver), etc. This way, you can perform numerous mortifications each day, without doing anything strange or weird.
 
Any kind of self mortification should not be undertaken without the advice of a priest or spiritual director.
We are not supposed to seek out suffering but rather accept it if it comes our way.

There are many kinds of penance that may be performed without resorting to self mortification.

Are you a member of Opus Dei by any chance?
No I’m not a member. I support Opus Dei though. I’ve already received some criticism for advice. In response #12 on this thread. This is a copy/paste of that post:

Corporal mortification can be used for the wrong reasons. Such as fasting as a cover for anorexia. Physical mortification for pleasure, or to attract attention.

A cilice, in my opinion, and the opinion of Opus Dei doesn’t seem to be a serious form of corporal mortification. It’s light form of mortification and has a negative stigma associated with the practice.

1 Corinthians 9:27
“No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.” New International Version (©1984)

More recently: John Paul XXIII, Paul XI, and John Paul II all mentioned that Christians should practice corporal mortification.

I personally wear one, and I find it helpful.

A spiritual director/priest is very important, but is it necessary just to wear a cilice? How do you view my comments?

Kindly - James
 
My spiritual director is in favor of some kind of corporal mortification but is insistant that it is nothing harsh. What I do is that when I pray the Hours I sit at the edge of a hard chair, feet flat on the floor, knees together and hold the book up. It’s very uncomfortable but it is not dangerous or causes bodily harm. Another thing I have been doing is not turning on the AC if no one else is home. That can get REALLY uncomfortable, but also has the added advantage of saving energy.
 
1.) Buy a cilice. $10. Use 1 hr on the thigh. It doesn’t hurt, it’s not medievil. It reminds you to not sin and feels uncomfortable. It’s comparable to sackcloth.

2.) Do a chore that is not a routine chore. It is an act of love.

Thoughts?
#1 is the kind of thing that should only be advised by your spiritual director. Very few people are far enough along to attempt it. Bad advice.

#2 is good, though!
 
I have family members who are far more irritating than any any hairshirt. :cool:
 
If you really would like to do corporal penance then there is no reason why you shouldn’t if you really want to. However, there are also good reasons to have a spiritual director, because anything you do Satan will try to undo, and it would be helpful to present a united front against the enemy.
Being under the advice of a spiritual director is a positive way to render unto God your intentions, penance, willingness to “pay your debt”, so as to not get overly caught up in the act of penance for its own sake. Obedience is a penance few people think of these days, so to obey a spiritual director in itself might be a penance, because you are submitting yourself not only to him but to the Holy Spirit. It is humbling to have to obey, and obedience and humility are extremely valuable virtues.
You would really want to make sure however, that you find someone you trust to be on absolutely solid ground with Rome, a priest well grounded in the truth, someone who is wise and prudent, balanced and joyful. Pray and ask God for guidance to lead you to the right priest for you. Not everyone can wear hairshirts, but everyone can abstain from meat one day a week. Fasting on bread and water one or two days a week is a good thing but you don’t want to be become anorexic in your zeal. A priest can help you stay level-headed about things, keep things in perspective, and offer support when you feel like giving up.
 
They would never suggest the use of a cilice without the supervision of a priest. In fact, it is only the Numerary Memebers (those who life in Opus Dei centers and live celibate lives) who are the ones who may usually use them, under strict supervision.

Supernumerary members (I am one) are recommended to use mortifications that are, really, very easy (and yet can be difficult!) such as (1) eating more of the food we dislike and less of our favorite foods, (2) smiling (with sincerity) at people who irritate us; (3) ending your nice warm shower with cold (shiver, shiver), etc. This way, you can perform numerous mortifications each day, without doing anything strange or weird.
Excellent advice.

I also find that there are more penances and chances to practice mortification in an ordinary life than we think. Deferring to others for which TV show to watch, or not watching at all if you live alone. Smiling and answering politely to the irritating store clerk, coworker, family member. Skipping sweets, snacks, or treats. An endless variety of daily, ordinary things.

We often feel we need to be doing more, extra, hard, etc penances, but really doing all those things above, getting in morning and evening prayers plus a daily rosary, being cheerful and uncomplaining (even in my mind!) is hard work for me.

Perhaps I am not as holy as others, but I find actions like those outlined above are the ones recommended over and over by Saints like Francis deSales, John Bosco, and Josemaria Escriva who were speaking to laity and not consecrated religious.
 
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