If a Catholic becomes a politician in the US, which party should he associate himself with?

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Congratulations! You have discovered that our civic leaders will say anything to garner your vote. Conservatives are no better than their counterparts, they experience just as many scandals and now we have a President that will openly lie to his constituents.

I think we are already seeing your “splinter” as you described it:

The 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries had a total of twelve debates lasting approximately two hours each. Among all that time devoted to discussing the issues that concern conservative voters; an approximate total of eight minutes was given to the subject of abortion. To compound matters more, the least conservative candidate was nominated to represent the party.

The 2012 Election was the first Presidential Election after the Supreme Courts Citizen United decision that resulted in “Political spending without limitless”. Unfortunately, you are starting to see that the Christian conservative vote carries less value than it ever did within the Republican party. As the party started to move towards the libertarian direction, it suddenly found itself challenged by the Populist ideology within the party that elected our current President.

I am not certain of the likelihood of a strong third party? But Christians need to do a better job of having their voices heard…
 
Leo2014 said:
Congratulations! You have discovered that our civic leaders will say anything to garner your vote. Conservatives are no better than their counterparts, they experience just as many scandals and now we have a President that will openly lie to his constituents.
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Well, it is because the voters allow them to do it.

It is human nature to be much more strict about lapses in integrity of those we consider opponents than those we hope to make our benefactors. (Maybe I ought to say it is fallen human nature; that is not the way of grace.)
Leo2014 said:
I am not certain of the likelihood of a strong third party? But Christians need to do a better job of having their voices heard…
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We may have to live with the truth that insisting on what the Gospel really teaches across the board may make us too unpopular to have the lion’s share of political influence. This is particularly true when one considers that we ourselves may even agree entirely on the same unpopular moral principles and yet legitimately disagree on how to most effectively and justly translate those principles into civil law and commonly-held societal norms.

Let us face it: trying to do those two things already makes us unpopular with a lot of people who attend churches that acknowledge Christ, including a lot of Catholics.

Ah, well, it is a vale of tears. Remaining faithful does not guarantee success, not in secular terms.
 
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Theo2 said:
It would probable best if he/she ran as a Democrat because to make real progress on Life and Marriage issues, the conversion needs to occur in that party. The party might listen to one of their own.
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For high office, the Democrat Party wouldn’t even let him speak, even if he won.

The late PA Gov. Bob Casey Sr. was 86’ed from the 1992 Democrat Convention, even though he was a 2 term governor of a major state.

In 2012, Randall Terry challenged Obama for the Democrat Party nomination, President Obama refused to debate him even once.

It would be rather quixotic for a pro life Democrat candidate to run for anything much higher than township commissioner or justice of the peace.
 
ZMystiCat said:
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I’m guessing this means conservative research.
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Essentially, yes.

If you think about it, it doesn’t really matter which party you join. You’re free to vote for whomever you choose, regardless of the candidates’ parties.
The difficulty comes in states with “closed” primaries, like my own state, where you can only vote for candidates in the party you’re registered with.
Aside from that, though, being a member of either party basically means getting junk mail and robocalls from whichever one you join. It’s a distinction without a difference.

One thing you could do is register with whichever party has more people in it where you live. Assume that that party will win the elections, and you’ll have a voice in choosing the eventual winner.

Most people where I live are Republicans. I usually don’t agree with Republicans, but I’m a registered Republican. This way I have a better shot at influencing the election outcomes than I would if I were a Democrat. It’s a practical approach.
 
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mrsdizzyd said:
I don’t think Catholic should just cede the Democratic Party to the pro-choice crowd. Choose the more difficult path and fight to make a difference.

https://democratsforlife.org
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This made me wonder which is really the more difficult path. Abortion is a symptom of a problem in America. Consumerism, selfishness, and greed are the problem. We suffer only from a lack of saints and sanctity, or at least, some minimum sense of altruism. The only reason the Democrats are more pro-abortion is because of the gender gap. Abortion is the response to the misconception of “my” body.

I would have said that the Democratic Party is the harder path like you did, prior to 2016. Now, I think it the easier. At least Bill Clinton was not know for his immoral character until after the election, but except for that, I cannot recall any presidential candidate more representative of consumerism, selfishness, and greed within my life time.
 
pnewton said:
I would have said that the Democratic Party is the harder path like you did, prior to 2016. Now, I think it the easier. At least Bill Clinton was not know for his immoral character until after the election
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We knew about Bill Clinton before the election in 2016. I looked at the nomination of his wife as just an end around the 22nd Amendment.

Sort of like the governorship of Lurleen Wallace was an end around the Alabama Constitution in 1966 which prohibited George from succeeding himself.
 
I personally believe if a catholic were to become a politician, he/she should become a democrat (of course a pro-life democrat).
 
How does one realistically in this day and age become a pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, pro-traditional value democrat?
 
adamvandyck said:
I personally believe if a catholic were to become a politician, he/she should become a democrat (of course a pro-life democrat).
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The last prominent pro-life Democrat Party politician is the late Gov. Bob Casey Sr. here in Pennsylvania. They didn’t even allow him to speak at the convention 26 years ago. In 2012, pro life activist Randall Terry became a Democrat and ran for the nomination. President Obama refused to even acknowledge Mr. Terry’s candidacy, much less even consider debating him.

It seems pretty quixotic for a pro life individual- Catholic or otherwise- to be part of the Democrat Party.
 
A democrat is a member of the US democratic party. A politician is an arbiter of state control, usually elected by a constituency. America here refers to the United States of America
 
I wouldn’t cast my lot with either major US political party and run independent.
 
NuclearReceptor said:
How does one realistically in this day and age become a pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, pro-traditional value democrat?
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Perhaps because they realize that pro-life is and has always been broadened to include being against genocides of ANY stripe. They also realize that a legal union does NOT constitute a marriage in the eyes of the church and that “Tradition” does NOT mean prideful nationalism of the ugly American flavor. Enjoy!~
 
Really? In Canada Liberals are not allowed to be pro-life. The Liberal party has outright stated that anyone who is pro-life is not welcome or wanted.

If the Democrats allow pro-life candidates in their number then that’s one point for them IMHO.
 
Augustinian said:
It seems pretty quixotic for a pro life individual- Catholic or otherwise- to be part of the Democrat Party.
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Hardly. There are many Pro-Life democrats, but there a very few single issue democratic voters.
 
somecanadian said:
Really? In Canada Liberals are not allowed to be pro-life. The Liberal party has outright stated that anyone who is pro-life is not welcome or wanted.

If the Democrats allow pro-life candidates in their number then that’s one point for them IMHO.
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I’m a Dem and Pro-Life. The pro-life issue was hi-jacked by the Republicans to “limit” the scope to the unborn…but it isn’t so!~ Pope Frances has said even D-A-C-A- was a pro-life’ issue and you have conservatives that even want to quarrel with that!~ Life is from conception to grave and ALL life in between has a reason and purpose and needs help every now and then. The Top Down economics of the conservative party does not work, and the Tea Party are crazy…and that is putting it mildly.
 
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To be fair, aren’t your conservatives actually pretty moderate (big tent?)? For example, I understand “Red Tories” might refer to social liberals and fiscal conservatives, but couldn’t it also describe socially conservative, communitarian but social justice oriented folks?
 
They do tend to be pretty moderate. They also aren’t pro-life (openly). We also have the NDP (our SJWs). It’s very, very difficult to find ANY pro-life candidates in the non-Liberal parties because in general Canadians frown on that.
 
DENNYINMI said:
Hardly. There are many Pro-Life democrats, but there a very few single issue democratic voters.
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I can’t think of any who are in the House or Senate, or are even being considered for the Presidential nomination in 2020. Every single one on the national state- Crazy Bernie, Biden, Mrs. Clinton, are firmly anti-life. My guess, and it is based upon past performance, is that the Democratic Platform will be very pro-abortion, probably the most pro-abort platform in the party’s history
 
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