If a Mass is valid

[roemer]

Then its grace makes up for all the trivial illicities that may accompany it. If your not agreeing with that, you’re not agreeing with the faith.
So don’t sweat the small stuff.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

To walk away from any VALID Mass is to turn and walk away from Christ, no matter how many abuses may take place during the Mass.

 

[EENS]

To chose an abused Mass over a perfect Mass (Traditional Latin Mass) when you can do so, is to sin and turn your back on Christ.

 

[system]

EENS:

To chose an abused Mass over a perfect Mass (Traditional Latin Mass) when you can do so, is to sin and turn your back on Christ.

Sin? Nonsense.

 

[deogratias]

EENS - not every traditional Latin Mass is perfect. I have just attended four in four weeks, not one was “perfect” because the priests are still learning - but they were not abusive, just inexperienced and/or rusty.

It’s okay to prefer the Traditional Latin Mass but it is not true that the NOM is not a valid Mass and such an attitude may be divisive rather than unitive. I understand you are new to the TLM and may be a little overzealous. This could be a turn off to many just as any extremism is.

" Make sure your good intentions are always accompanied by humility. For Good intentions often go togehter with harsh judgments, almost amounting to an incapacity to yield, and a certain personal, national or party pride" St. Jose Maria Escriva

Jesu Christus heri et hodie, ipse et in saecula!

 

[CatholicNerd]

roemer:

Then its grace makes up for all the trivial illicities that may accompany it. If your not agreeing with that, you’re not agreeing with the faith.
So don’t sweat the small stuff.

I very much agree with this statement. As does the Church. There is a difference between invald and illicit. STILL, we cannot tolerate the so-called “small stuff.” Permitting even “small” abuses makes a mockery of the Sacrifice of the Mass, and it therefore makes a mockery of Christ. Small abuses almost always lead to big abuses. No offense, but we should not use the fact that a Mass isn’t invalidated by this or that abuse to still practice that abuse. It’s like offering the Father the bare minimum when we have so much more to offer.

 

[mass4life]

As a convert to the Catholic faith, I have discovered that contrary to an old saying “the devil’s in the details,” that in this beautiful faith Christ is in every detail. The big picture of our faith is one beautiful beyond words, and when you take a close-up of that picture you find Christ in every facet of the faith, even those of the smallest details of the Mass. To trample on the details of the Mass and change them at whim is to abuse Christ Himself, Who instituted it. It is a struggle to keep myself focused (during an abused Mass) on the big picture that Jesus is the Eucharist and He will give me graces through it. However I cannot and will not stand by and let error become accepted and normal. It is a hard road because I do not like being at odds with anyone, especially my priest.

 

[Makerteacher]

roemer:

Then its grace makes up for all the trivial illicities that may accompany it. If your not agreeing with that, you’re not agreeing with the faith.
So don’t sweat the small stuff.

If a Mass is valid, it’s valid, and glorious in its own right, but it does not mean that it may have been perfected celebrated or said. We must certainly be patient with our priests as they serve us, but we must also be conscientious and insist that the GIRM are followed in every Mass. We can bring up the smaller problems in a very gentle and loving way, not publicly, not with rancor. This can be done without accusation, without hostility, and without “sweating”.

I would disagree that it’s “small stuff” if it violates the GIRM. The “rules” are not made for no good reason: there are theological truths imbedded in each rule, and losing those practices may cost us as parishoners some understanding of those theological truths.

Just MHO.

 

[Shan]

mass4life:

As a convert to the Catholic faith, I have discovered that contrary to an old saying “the devil’s in the details,” that in this beautiful faith Christ is in every detail. The big picture of our faith is one beautiful beyond words, and when you take a close-up of that picture you find Christ in every facet of the faith, even those of the smallest details of the Mass. To trample on the details of the Mass and change them at whim is to abuse Christ Himself, Who instituted it. It is a struggle to keep myself focused (during an abused Mass) on the big picture that Jesus is the Eucharist and He will give me graces through it. However I cannot and will not stand by and let error become accepted and normal. It is a hard road because I do not like being at odds with anyone, especially my priest.

Mass4life,

How can anyone refute what you’ve warmly explained. Not only is it a struggle to keep focused, but I could cry!!! :crying: :crying:
I think people don’t understand that abuses don’t have to be tolerated and Cardinal Arinze, (Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacrament), has so wonderfully instructed us that we have the right and the duty :bounce: to report liturgical abuses. We must always love the sinner and HATE the sin and the ABUSES.
I suggest everyone get a copy of the Instruction (Redemptionis Sacramentum), on liturgical abuses because there actually are several abuses which can cause a Mass to be invalid. God Bless you,
Shan

 

[Shan]

Has a Roman Catholic I would just like to say that
I have a right to receive Holy Communion on the tongue.
I have a right to receive on my knees without being told that I
am disobedient.
I have a right to receive Holy Communion from the hands of a Priest without being called a trouble maker.
I have a right to pray the rosary before or after Mass in the CHURCH.
I have a right to know what a Latin Rite is.
I’m learning all too well the American Right.

Thanks and God Bless
Shan