If a Priest leaves the priesthood for a woman, are they both denied communion? Are there any sanctions?

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I was reading on another thread about a priest who fell in love with a woman he was helping and left the priesthood.

In the case of both parties, are they allowed to receive communion?
 
I was reading on another thread about a priest who fell in love with a woman he was helping and left the priesthood.

In the case of both parties, are they allowed to receive communion?
It depends. If the priest followed the proper channels then everything could be OK. But if he just left without permission (I don’t know the story) then probably not.
 
It depends. If the priest followed the proper channels then everything could be OK. But if he just left without permission (I don’t know the story) then probably not.
I’m sorry. I’m asking in general. I don’t know anything about the other story.
 
A priest can ask for permission to leave the priesthood and be released from his vows. He is always a priest, but his faculties are removed (meaning he cannot celebrate Mass, etc, although he can administer last rites in an emergency situation.

If he follows canon law procedures, and his bishop or superior releases him, then yes he could validly marry the woman and they would be in good standing in the Church.

If a priest does not follow proper channels, or he is denied permission to leave and marry, and just walks away anyway, then he would not be marrying validly and both would be in an invalid marriage and unable to receive the sacraments until such time as they ceased living together as spouses or the priest’s situation was regularized through proper channels.
 
If a priest does not follow proper channels, or he is denied permission to leave and marry, and just walks away anyway, then he would not be marrying validly and both would be in an invalid marriage and unable to receive the sacraments until such time as they ceased living together as spouses or the priest’s situation was regularized through proper channels.
Ah okay.
 
I’m sorry. I’m asking in general. I don’t know anything about the other story.
A priest can ask permission to be laicized --which includes a release from his vow of obedience to his superiors-- and to be dispensed from his vow of celibacy. If his requests are granted then he would be free to marry.

But if he is not released from his vows and he just takes off then he would be guilty of *serious *disobedience and if he attempted marriage that marriage would be invalid.
 
A priest can ask permission to be laicized --which includes a release from his vow of obedience to his superiors-- and to be dispensed from his vow of celibacy. If his requests are granted then he would be free to marry.

But if he is not released from his vows and he just takes off then he would be guilty of *serious *disobedience and if he attempted marriage that marriage would be invalid.
Is it relatively hard to be granted laicization for that purpose?

Otherwise, I don’t see why he would just walk away.

I don’t know. As a woman, I would feel like I was helping someone to commit adultery!

Could the priest ask to come back?
 
Is it relatively hard to be granted laicization for that purpose?

Otherwise, I don’t see why he would just walk away.
I suspect it’s a lot easier for a priest to be granted permission to be laicized than it once was. I imagine it depends a lot on the bishop ( or other superior). At least in the United States I think most bishops would rather grant the priest his request than have the priest just leave and be in a state of sin. But no doubt there are bishops who think otherwise. In practice what would probably happen is that the bishop would grant the priest a few months leave from his duties where the priest is supposed to live as a lay person and pray about his future. If at the end of that period he still wished to be laicized then the formal procedures could begin.

Some priests are going to be willing to follow the rules. Unfortunately there will be some who don’t want to take the time to do so.
I don’t know. As a woman, I would feel like I was helping someone to commit adultery!
I agree! But when people decide they are in love it seems as if all the other rules go out the window. 🤷 In the end, feelings about what a priest should or should not do are not so important as whether or not the priest obediently follows the rules --even if they are rules about how to be released from obedience.
 
I was reading on another thread about a priest who fell in love with a woman he was helping and left the priesthood.

In the case of both parties, are they allowed to receive communion?
It depends. If the priest applied for and was granted laicization and he was released from his obligation to celibacy he would be free to marry. These have to be granted by Rome.

If he simply walked away and attempted marriage it would be invalid. Sacred orders are an impediment to marriage.

Likewise, the woman would also have to be free to marry.

If she was free to marry and he got all the required releases from Rome they could marry, assuming there we no other impediments to their proposed marriage. Otherwise, no there would not be a valid marriage and they may, depending on their actual actions, be in a state of sin.
 
"Canon 1394 §1 Without prejudice to the provisions of Canon 194, §1, n. 3, a cleric who attempts marriage, even if only civilly, incurs a latae sententiae suspension. If, after warning, he has not reformed and continues to give scandal, he can be progressively punished by deprivations, or even by dismissal from the clerical state.
§2 Without prejudice to the provisions of Canon 694, a religious in perpetual vows who is not a cleric but who attempts marriage, even if only civilly, incurs a latae sententiae interdict.

Canon 1395 §1 Apart from the case mentioned in Canon 1394, a cleric living in concubinage, and a cleric who continues in some other external sin against the sixth commandment of the Decalogue which causes scandal, is to be punished with suspension. To this, other penalties can progressively be added if after a warning he persists in the offence, until eventually he can be dismissed from the clerical state."
saintwiki.com/index.php?title=Code_of_Canon_Law%2C_Book_VI_Part_II:_Penalties_for_Particular_Offenses

For a woman to sin with a priest her sin is also grave and she also is in mortal sin. If she persists in the involvement she remains in that sin so cannot receive Communion, nor can the priest. Unless and until the priest is laicized, they cannot be involved nor can they licitly or validly marry.

leavingthepriesthood.com/The_Laicization_Process_Blog_Archive_through_November_7__2010.pdf
 
I was reading on another thread about a priest who fell in love with a woman he was helping and left the priesthood.

In the case of both parties, are they allowed to receive communion?
It depends what you mean by leaving the priesthood. A priest could simply walk away and never undertake any priestly functions again but he would still be a priest and if involved with a woman would not be able to receive Communion.
In my opinion the priest would have to be defrocked before he would be free to marry (in the eyes of the Church).
 
Is it relatively hard to be granted laicization for that purpose?

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he would not be granted lay status for that reason there must be something more grave (if you mean, returned to the lay state on his own request). It is the last of a series of canonical sanctions for a priest who “walks away”.
 
Is it relatively hard to be granted laicization for that purpose?

Otherwise, I don’t see why he would just walk away.

I don’t know. As a woman, I would feel like I was helping someone to commit adultery!

Could the priest ask to come back?
I’m not sure how difficult it is to be laicized, now. There was a period where it was relatively easy and a lot of priests made that choice. IIRC, with Pope Paul VI it was relatively easy but it gradually became less & less so with Pope John Paul II & Pope Benedict.

Several priests I knew requested laicization in the 70s. One was a teacher in our high school. The last one I heard of, within the last 8 years, was a parish priest who had to be in his late 50s, early 60s when he opted to do so – those who knew him well had seen him work through that decision for a number of years and those of us who’d had him as a teacher in various settings were not surprised.
 
Great answers everyone!

I recently read “Sing a New Song: the Christian Vocation”, by Timothy Radcliffe, who is a former Master of the Order of Preachers.

The book has some great spiritual truths. Throughout the book, he gives advice to his brother Dominicans.

One thing he talks about is what happens if a religious falls in love, and he mentions how unfair it is to the woman because what usually happens is with some counseling, the religious eventually gets back on the right track.

He is unavailable.

This is like a woman falling in love with an unavailable married man, but to the 1000th degree!
 
I was reading on another thread about a priest who fell in love with a woman he was helping and left the priesthood.

In the case of both parties, are they allowed to receive communion?
There are a couple recent cases of this and it has happened numerous times in the past. I had a pastor who was a priest for many years. He retired in good standing but ill health, was officially laicized and was married in the Church in a Mass concelebrated by several of his friend priests. Perfectly legitimate. He was laicized by the pope.

Then we have the case of Alberto Cutie’, priest of the Archdiocese of Miami. Al took to frolicing on Miami Beach with a divorced gal and was caught on camera by a local Miami paper (he had a TV show and the whole bit, he was quite the poster child for the modern, good looking, with it, priest). So Al gets called in by the Archbishop who tells him he’s got to pray and repent. Instead he jumps ship and goes over to the local Episcopal community (with much fanfare about the evil Archbishop.) He’s, of course, famously welcomed by the Episcopal bishop, who loves the press!

Eventually Al marries Sweet Guenivere and becomes an Episcopal priest. He and the lady (who is divorced sans annulment) have a little bambino. Now Al and the lady have a problem my former pastor does not have. They are living in a state of objective mortal sin and connot recieve communion (which he does as a priest because he’s still a priest even though he’s an excommunicated one). So Al and the lady are denied communion, but do not give a care to that stricture.
 
Eventually Al marries Sweet Guenivere and becomes an Episcopal priest. He and the lady (who is divorced sans annulment) have a little bambino. Now Al and the lady have a problem my former pastor does not have. They are living in a state of objective mortal sin and connot recieve communion (which he does as a priest because he’s still a priest even though he’s an excommunicated one). So Al and the lady are denied communion, but do not give a care to that stricture.
Wow!

If he were to repent, have his marriage annulled and ask to be able to resume his priestly functions, is there a process such as ummm “de-laicization”? 🙂
 
Wow!

If he were to repent, have his marriage annulled and ask to be able to resume his priestly functions, is there a process such as ummm “de-laicization”? 🙂
It all depends on getting an annulment and just because you want one doesn’t mean you’re getting one.

This thread keeps reminding me of Zambian Archbishop Milingo who married in a Moonie ceremony then returned to the church.
 
Wow!

If he were to repent, have his marriage annulled and ask to be able to resume his priestly functions, is there a process such as ummm “de-laicization”? 🙂
Was he even laicized? He appears to have just walked away without the proper procedures. Of course, the Church may have laicized him as a penalty. Nevertheless, this is an interesting question. He cannot be unordained so remains ordained. May be it is possible for the Church to allow a priest who has been laicized to return to the priestly ministry. Another question might also be would the Church be willing to allow laicized priests to become active priests again?
 
Is it relatively hard to be granted laicization for that purpose?

Otherwise, I don’t see why he would just walk away.

I don’t know. As a woman, I would feel like I was helping someone to commit adultery!

Could the priest ask to come back?
Since no one has answered this, I will. It is possible for a priest to be laicized, marry, and then later, after the death of his spouse, be “reinstated” as a priest. I think it is really rare, but the reason I know this is because a few years ago we had such a priest as an associate in our parish. I do not know why he was laicized in the first place, it does not necessarily have to be that he met a woman. That could have happened later, after he was laicized.

He married and raised a family, and then came back to the priesthood after his wife died. I might add, he had a rather difficult time of it–he told me this himself. That is all I am going to say about the situation, all of which is public knowledge around here, but I just wanted to
answer your question. But, like I said, I think this was a most unusual situation.
 
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