If a theistic gay boy wants to join the Boy Scouts

[Wakko9001]

… why shouldn’t he?

In my opinion, being a Boy Scout shouldn’t depend on one’s sexuality. It should more depend, on whether he believes in God (or any god), or not. I mean, the oath says, ** “… I will do my best, to do my duty, to God and my country…”**. Plus, reading these comments… I dunno. I have the feeling, that a lot of people on the forums think, that just because there is a gay kid in their troop, all the boys will be sexually harmed, guaranteed. That’s what I’m seeing anyways. Overall, I believe that just as long as the boy believes in some type of god, he should be allowed to join, despite not keeping his sexuality private.

Thank you for reading, and God bless.

P.S. Another thing that I do have on my mind… I don’t have a clear opinion on gay scout leaders, but what I will say, is that I do not like homosexual adults being equated to pedophiles. Can someone please clarify? Again, thank you.

 

[cargau]

… why shouldn’t he?

In my opinion, being a Boy Scout shouldn’t depend on one’s sexuality. It should more depend, on whether he believes in God (or any god), or not. I mean, the oath says, ** “… I will do my best, to do my duty, to God and my country…”**. Plus, reading these comments… I dunno. I have the feeling, that a lot of people on the forums think, that just because there is a gay kid in their troop, all the boys will be sexually harmed, guaranteed. That’s what I’m seeing anyways. Overall, I believe that just as long as the boy believes in some type of god, he should be allowed to join, despite not keeping his sexuality private.

Thank you for reading, and God bless.

P.S. Another thing that I do have on my mind… I don’t have a clear opinion on gay scout leaders, but what I will say, is that I do not like homosexual adults being equated to pedophiles. Can someone please clarify? Again, thank you.

I agree that gay boy scouts should not be denied admission to the boy scouts any more than boys who engage in self pleasure or use foul language be denied as a class.

I think people should not be identified by their sexuality. They should be seen for their character traits both good and bad. That is one reason why gay marriage is so wrong. The government, media and society are trying to enforce an impossibility as a norm based on the single characteristic of an individual. In a word, we are being force fed the notion that homosexuality is equal to heterosexuality.

To your last question…Not all gays are pedophiles but most pedophiles are gay. That is why Benedict refused to allow men with deep seated homosexual tendencies admission to Holy Orders.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

To your last question…Not all gays are pedophiles but most pedophiles are gay. That is why Benedict refused to allow men with deep seated homosexual tendencies admission to Holy Orders.

Not true at all, and study after study has shown this. Most pedophiles identify as heterosexual, and even proportionally there are more straight pedophiles than gay ones. That’s a very sad and damaging misconception.

 

[Aelred_Minor]

I agree that gay boy scouts should not be denied admission to the boy scouts any more than boys who engage in self pleasure or use foul language be denied as a class.

I think people should not be identified by their sexuality. They should be seen for their character traits both good and bad. That is one reason why gay marriage is so wrong. The government, media and society are trying to enforce an impossibility as a norm based on the single characteristic of an individual. In a word, we are being force fed the notion that homosexuality is equal to heterosexuality.

To your last question…Not all gays are pedophiles but most pedophiles are gay. That is why Benedict refused to allow men with deep seated homosexual tendencies admission to Holy Orders.

I do not remember pedophilia (or pederasty, since this is probably what you mean) being cited as one of the reasons for the ban on homosexual admission to Holy Orders. I thought that idea was just a tactic for the other side to bring the discussion back to concepts they are comfortable debating and of course that remind people of the sins of members of the Church so as to discredit the Catholic position before it gets a fair hearing.

 

[Aelred_Minor]

Not true at all, and study after study has shown this. Most pedophiles identify as heterosexual, and even proportionally there are more straight pedophiles than gay ones. That’s a very sad and damaging misconception.

I’ll accept that (not that I personally have the knowledge to confirm it), but despite poor reporting the main form of sexual abuse in this scandal was priests having sex with teenaged boys (pederasty).

 

[Deus_tecum]

Boy Scouts often share close quarters such as tents. What parent would let their daughter share a tent with a straight boy? What are the reasons they wouldn’t? It is because the boy is likely to be sexually attracted to her. Well if a gay boy is sharing a tent with a straight boy, won’t the gay boy likely be sexually attracted to the straight boy? Do gays have some super-self-control or something? What if you are the parent of a straight boy but you want to be tolerant yet you know your son is timid and easily talked into things? Would you put him at risk for your own pride in being “tolerant”. This ruling by the Scouts is going to lead to nothing but trouble.

 

[Deus_tecum]

As for the sex abuse scandal, that was primarily done by homosexual men. It was homosexual predation also known as pederasty. These are the psychological labels. For legal purposes they were prosecuted as child molesters. The homosexual lobby wishes to distance itself from the psychological fact and pretend that it is a different orientation quite separate from them. Well, it’s not. Male homosexual predators are a subset of male homosexuals. Pedophiles prey on prepubescent children.

 

[Z1Z2]

Boy Scouts often share close quarters such as tents. What parent would let their daughter share a tent with a straight boy? What are the reasons they wouldn’t? It is because the boy is likely to be sexually attracted to her.

My son is only 8, so it’ll be a while before I have experience with teenage boys’ behavior, but surely a teenage boy is not attracted to every teenage girl? I had boys as pals in high school, and I don’t recall them as interested in all girls, each was interested only in particular ones.

Well if a gay boy is sharing a tent with a straight boy, won’t the gay boy likely be sexually attracted to the straight boy?

Likewise, I am confused as to why the gay boy would automatically be sexually attracted to the straight boy, regardless of who the straight boy is. Surely, just like straight attraction, it would only be an occasional happening that a gay boy might be attracted to said straight boy?

 

[Aelred_Minor]

My son is only 8, so it’ll be a while before I have experience with teenage boys’ behavior, but surely a teenage boy is not attracted to every teenage girl? I had boys as pals in high school, and I don’t recall them as interested in all girls, each was interested only in particular ones.

Likewise, I am confused as to why the gay boy would automatically be sexually attracted to the straight boy, regardless of who the straight boy is. Surely, just like straight attraction, it would only be an occasional happening that a gay boy might be attracted to said straight boy?

Not romantically attracted in a holistic sense, but surely physically attracted to all but the ugly ones. Sorry to be blunt but that’s the way it is, for many of us guys anyway.

Of course, in my boy scout troop we never got naked in front of each other or anything like that. We changed in our sleeping bags or alone in the tent.

 

[Brendan]

My son is only 8, so it’ll be a while before I have experience with teenage boys’ behavior, but surely a teenage boy is not attracted to every teenage girl? I had boys as pals in high school, and I don’t recall them as interested in all girls, each was interested only in particular ones. ?

Does attraction really matter? Using the example above, I can think of very few parents who would let their teenage daughter tent with a boy, even if the boy swore on a stack of Bibles that he was not attracted to her.

 

[PietroPaolo]

The Boy Scouts are a private organization and have settled the matter. If parents don’t like the idea, then they won’t let their sons join, perhaps opting for different organization. If enough parents pull their kids, the BSA will fold - or change it’s policy. If parents don’t mind, then they will keep their boys enrolled and the BSA will continue as normal. Gotta love the free market. If only public schools had to compete to stay open, imagine the garbage our kids wouldn’t have to suffer through.

 

[cargau]

Not true at all, and study after study has shown this. Most pedophiles identify as heterosexual, and even proportionally there are more straight pedophiles than gay ones. That’s a very sad and damaging misconception.

What studies and who conducted them? Sometimes conclusions are drawn that support an agenda. The truth is, the majority of cases of abusive priests relates to boys. That is homosexual in nature no matter how anyone wants to spin it.

I stand corrected on pediphelia vs pedastry. Point taken.

 

[fix]

… why shouldn’t he?

In my opinion, being a Boy Scout shouldn’t depend on one’s sexuality. It should more depend, on whether he believes in God (or any god), or not. I mean, the oath says, ** “… I will do my best, to do my duty, to God and my country…”**. Plus, reading these comments… I dunno. I have the feeling, that a lot of people on the forums think, that just because there is a gay kid in their troop, all the boys will be sexually harmed, guaranteed. That’s what I’m seeing anyways. Overall, I believe that just as long as the boy believes in some type of god, he should be allowed to join, despite not keeping his sexuality private.

Thank you for reading, and God bless.

P.S. Another thing that I do have on my mind… I don’t have a clear opinion on gay scout leaders, but what I will say, is that I do not like homosexual adults being equated to pedophiles. Can someone please clarify? Again, thank you.

Nope

 

[JimG]

The Boy Scouts are a private organization and have settled the matter. If parents don’t like the idea, then they won’t let their sons join, perhaps opting for different organization. If enough parents pull their kids, the BSA will fold - or change it’s policy. If parents don’t mind, then they will keep their boys enrolled and the BSA will continue as normal. Gotta love the free market. If only public schools had to compete to stay open, imagine the garbage our kids wouldn’t have to suffer through.

AMEN! It’s off topic, but certainly a great idea.

 

[manualman]

Not true at all, and study after study has shown this. Most pedophiles identify as heterosexual, and even proportionally there are more straight pedophiles than gay ones. That’s a very sad and damaging misconception.

Good catch! But a few clarifications are in order. Media accounts of the priest sex abuse scandal often used the word “pedophilia.” This is totally inaccurate. Pedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescent children. True pedophiles see childhood in an androgenous way and as a result usually do not have a strong preference about the sex of their victim. Defined properly, you are correct that pedophiles are overwhelmingly heterosexual in basic sexual outlook.

In the catholic scandals context, over 80% of the victims were pubescent boys. They had at least the beginnings of observable masculine attributes. The abusers were not, technically, pedophiles. A man with a strong sexual preference for males is, by definition, homosexual, no? I will go on to say that I also believe that that vast majority of homosexual men aren’t inclined to abuse teen boys and that there are more than a few hetero men inclined to abuse teen girls. I do wonder though if there is a greater incidence of sex between adult gay men and gay teens than their hetero counterparts. The studies you cite about pedophilia simply aren’t relevant to that question.

 

[StJudeprayforme]

There are already gay boys in the Boy Scouts, they are just closeted, or are semi-public about it, and just don’t mention it at the boards of review when they get their rank promotions. All the new policy does (as any new policy that allows homosexuals to be a member of an organization) is that it ends the lying and secrecy.