If abortion is made illegal, what should the punishment be for those who get an abortion and those who perform the abortion?

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State sanctioned murder.

Murder protected by laws of a nation of laws.

Population control.

Collateral damage.

Life begins when???

Separation of church and state…so there’s no real moral ethical or religious connection to abortion or euthanasia being “really murder”.

Reason over faith.

Civil rights, priviledges and entitlements.

Any combination of these is the reason why even if made illegal - there will be no consequences and no deterrance.

Jesus is the answer. But no one is asking.
 
Warrenton said:
This is not true with regards the criminal justice system as a whole. There were cases in which local juries acquitted white Klansmen being prosecuted by federal prosecutors for race crimes, but those verdicts were political statements that had as much to do with the peoples’ understanding of democracy as with race per se.

The hate crime laws are bad, because they put the focus on the victim instead of the criminal and the crime and create different classes of victims. This fosters the exact inequality the laws purport to combat.
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So we shouldnt have separate aggravating statutes for cop killers/ child killers?
 
I don’t think women who have abortions should receive any punishment even if it is not legal. I see these women as victims. Putting women in jail for abortions would only make the pro abortion movement look good. However, people who perform them should go to jail for 15 years or life if they kill a woman.
 
Holly3278 said:
Hey everyone. If abortion is made illegal, what then should the punishment be for those who get an abortion or seek an abortion and what should the punishment be for the person who performs the abortion or prescribes the abortion pills? I ask this because I think it would be rather useless to outlaw abortion but yet refuse to punish the offenders against the law. If we didn’t enforce the law then what good would the law do?
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In the years prior to Roe V Wade punishment was imposedexclusively against the abortion providers. In fact, the number of women who were charged with recurrent abortion was pretty much nil. . I suspect the same will occur after Roe V Wade is overturned. The penalties, if I recall correctly, were usually loss of a medical license and a charge of some degree of manslaughter.
 
Again with all the miraculous conceptions in this country. We need to inform the Vatican to get their act together with the supposed uniqueness of Jesus’ conception: according to this thread, surely He could not have been the only conception without an earthly father. Hello.
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The only way in which the current statistics about abortion will (or even may) change is when (Hmmm) fathers suffer penalties. When men start suffering, you will see militancy about this issue rise to a level that makes the so-called militant women’s movement look like a game of jacks.

And it would tremendously help if the other half of the population would stop enabling them with no-fee prostitution. I’m sorry to be gross, but that’s exactly the way I see it.

Men have absolutely nothing to lose in the current societal structure, including that regarding abortion, cohabitation, and one-night stands.
 
Elizabeth502 said:
Again with all the miraculous conceptions in this country. We need to inform the Vatican to get their act together with the supposed uniqueness of Jesus’ conception: according to this thread, surely He could not have been the only conception without an earthly father. Hello.
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The only way in which the current statistics about abortion will (or even may) change is when (Hmmm) fathers suffer penalties. When men start suffering, you will see militancy about this issue rise to a level that makes the so-called militant women’s movement look like a game of jacks.

And it would tremendously help if the other half of the population would stop enabling them with no-fee prostitution. I’m sorry to be gross, but that’s exactly the way I see it.

Men have absolutely nothing to lose in the current societal structure, including that regarding abortion, cohabitation, and one-night stands.
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What are you suggesting? What kind of penalties?
 
Jail for those who will perform the abortion. Therapy and counselling for those who sought abortion.
 
Elizabeth502 said:
I think loss of privacy would be a good place to start.
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Can you give a concrete example? I just found your above post kind of hard to follow. I want to understand what you’re suggesting. “Loss of privacy” is kind of vague.
 
How about jail for both the mother and the father of the aborted child? The prospect of a mark on the man’s record, affecting his career, might be a slightly more effective deterrent than what he suffers now, which is

NOTHING.

We know that the mother will sooner or later suffer in a more intimate way, due to the child being part of her body, than even a senstive, well-attuned man. He may suffer psychologically, but never as much as the woman.
 
anp1215 said:
Can you give a concrete example? I just found your above post kind of hard to follow. I want to understand what you’re suggesting. “Loss of privacy” is kind of vague.
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A criminal mark on the record (see above post) would be one aspect.

Another would be simply having him recorded as the father of record in some public registry. Watch men run if that prospect were to materialize.

You see, I’m far more interested in deterrents than in punishment, deterrents which matter to the parties. Thus, if there were a way to make abortion practically unaffordable monetarily, I would also favor that, but that won’t happen anytime soon with the mindset of this society.

I understand that the public would never go for a lack of exception for medical extremities (emergencies in a hospital), for rape, and for incest. However, I’m suggesting enormous practical and monetary fines for abortion used as birth control, which is the vast majority of them.
 
Elizabeth502 said:
How about jail for both the mother and the father of the aborted child? The prospect of a mark on the man’s record, affecting his career, might be a slightly more effective deterrent than what he suffers now, which is

NOTHING.

We know that the mother will sooner or later suffer in a more intimate way, due to the child being part of her body, than even a senstive, well-attuned man. He may suffer psychologically, but never as much as the woman.
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What if the father didn’t want the abortion, and encouraged the mother not to have it?
 
anp1215 said:
What if the father didn’t want the abortion, and encouraged the mother not to have it?
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For the very small minority of those (I assure you the figure is quite tiny), an alternative would be available, but to me that’s a moot point, because i.m.o. the law should be changed so that abortion as a ‘birth control’ method should reflect mutuality all around. (Thus, if it were to remain legal as now, both parties wold have to agree to it, and sign to it. Lacking male agreement means that he provides equal child support through age 21 or graduation from college. That’s enforced with feeral wage garnishment if necessary.)
 
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