If abortion were criminalized should women getting an abortion and abortionists face prison time?

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I thought I would make this poll to find our what everyone’s opinion is on this matter. If abortion is ever criminalized, should women getting an abortion (supposing that they freely chose to get an abortion) and the abortionist face prison time for doing so? My opinion is that they should both face prison time. The abortionist would face a charge of murder and the woman would face a similar charge such as that of being an accomplice to murder.
 
I say no, because I remember very well before abortion became legal that it was just the abortionist who faced legal action and that seemed right. The woman may have committed a grave sin…or not. Many women are forced into abortions. Who knows for sure? The abortionist, however, knows exactly what is happening and making a good profit from it. That person is getting paid to kill, not acting from panic or possibly the point of a gun, which has been known to happen.
 
I think a woman’s psychological state has to be taken into consideration, but if a woman is declared sane, then seeking to kill the unborn should probably been seen as manslaughter, if going through with killing the child, that has to be seen as murder. I do not see how you can take any other view if the unborn is treated as an equal human being. The abortionist should probably get a longer prison sentence than the woman seeking an abortion, because the abortionist is the one committing the barbaric procedure

38 states have fetal homicide laws and the federal Unborn Victims of Violence Act make a hypocrisy of legal abortion. But what these two laws have shown is that if a person can be charged with double murder if they kill a pregnant woman. Killing the unborn leads to a murder charge

If a pregnant woman is going to an abortion clinic is assaulted in the street which causes the death of her unborn child, the individual(s) that assaulted her would be guilty of manslaughter or double murder charge if the attackers killed the woman. But the abortion doctor can legally kill the baby and is not charged with manslaughter 😦

Pregnant woman was charged with murder in Indiana after she took rat poison at 33 weeks which killed her unborn child.

Scott Peterson got the death penalty in California, which he is now appealing, after killing Laci Peterson and her unborn child Connor. Killing Connor as well as Laci meant Scott Peterson got a double murder charge. Killing the unborn is seen as murder under the Unborn Victim law in situations like this

There are these types of criminal punishments going on when an unborn baby is killed even though legal abortion exists

Here are some responses from pro life leaders on the question of what the criminal, punishment should be for abortion
Mary Ellen Douglas
National Organizer
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Campaign Life Coalition

In Canada prior to 1969, the lives of babies in the womb were protected and women or doctors who attempted to procure an abortion faced a jail sentence. The issue of penalties for the mother and, I would hope, the doctor, in the days after abortion is finally re-criminalized, has to be examined. What if we ask ourselves what penalty should be prescribed by law if a mother deliberately murders her 2-year-old child? What if her child is 7 years old? What if the child is 14 years old? We know that this would be considered, at the very least in our liberal society, as manslaughter, which is punishable by a jail sentence. The judge may question the sanity of a woman who kills her child, because this is not normal behaviour for a mother.

We know that the child in the womb from the time of conception is as much a child as the child of two years, 7 years or 14 years. So we must not allow misdirected compassion for the mother to suggest that she and the person she hires to carry out the killing of her baby, the doctor, should be above the law and receive no jail time.

Penalties in law are designed to discourage criminals from carrying out actions that are illegal. Laws do not change hearts, but they control the heartless. We long for the day when all human life will be protected from the moment of conception (fertilization) until natural death. This desire for justice demands that severe penalties be given for crimes against the lives of defenceless people. Our society has denied justice for unborn children who are killed daily in their mothers’ wombs at the request of the mother. We need to correct this and return that protection to the unborn. It then follows that jail time for those who commit the crime of abortion is not only just, but absolutely necessary.

One of the greatest saints of our time, Mother Teresa, who is known for her kindness and compassion to everyone she met, was asked the question regarding jail time for women who sought abortions and she answered unequivocally that a jail term would be necessary, because the life of a human being had been deliberately taken.

Jennifer Ha
Editor,
Life Immeasurable magazine

So far, in the criminalization of abortion, we have been presented with three possible answers to the immensely difficult question of who should be held accountable for the crime: the woman, the doctor or both. I’ve always believed that it should be the doctor. That said, as much as I do not believe that women should be punished legally for procuring an abortion, I believe that we should not stretch our sympathy to accommodate every individual woman who breaks the law to (commit) such an abominable act, no matter how sympathetic and desperate the circumstance.

Natalie Hudson
Executive director,
Right to Life Association of Toronto and Area

There is no easy answer to the question of what the penalty ought to be for a woman who has an abortion. There is no question that the act of abortion takes the life of an unborn child and should be judged as criminal, but the psychological state of a woman who chooses to undergo this procedure should factor into a criminal charge.

Infanticide laws in England that have been in existence since 1922 charge mothers who kill their babies with the lesser charge of manslaughter, rather than murder. In the United States and Canada, there are many instances where an even lesser charge has been given in cases of infanticide: that of criminally negligent homicide. Whatever the charge, the act of infanticide remains criminal.

Attempting suicide was removed from the Canadian Criminal Code in 1972. There is an understanding that persons seeking to end their own lives are in serious need of immediate psychological assistance and that something must be done to save them from taking their lives. It seems reasonable to judge the woman in the volatile situation of being pregnant and seeking to kill her own offspring, or who has indeed undergone abortion, in a similar light, such that serious, immediate intervention through government and private agencies be enacted either to prevent her from abortion or counsel her once she has undergone one.

However, those who carry out abortions or who counsel a woman to abort should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for murder. These people, in most instances, are gaining economically from the vulnerability of the women and are under no psychological duress. Their act is the epitome of cold-blooded murder and, because it is often repeated numerous times, they can be considered the perpetrators of genocide.

Peter Ryan
Executive director,
New Brunswick Right to Life Association

The main ones to be held accountable by the law should be those who commit abortions, those who assist at the procedures and those who promote abortions. But women who undergo abortions should also be held accountable for taking a human life. Here, the law should perhaps resemble its present provisions for infanticide, which take account of the oft-present element of emotional duress.
There should also be a defence for those coerced by others - for example, boyfriends or parents (whom the law should hold accountable).

My final suggestion is that the law be crafted so as to distinguish between those who knowingly end a child’s life and those ignorant about fetal life; that is, those who mistakenly assumed it was “a blob of cells.”

Crafting a just law would be complex because of some dissimilarities with other homicides. But it could be done.

Theresa Smyth
Executive director,
Aid to Women

Until 1972, suicide and attempted suicide were illegal in Canada. The law reflected the belief that life is worth living and that suicide was unthinkable. Abortion is roughly analogous. It includes the killing of one innocent victim; the tremendous self-harm for the victim-perpetrators; and the loss to the family, peers and society of the missing victim. More than wanting to end a life, people involved in abortion are seeking an end to their pain. They need our support. And we need to ensure that further harm is prevented, particularly to other children within the family, born or yet-to-be-born. The state can impose treatment on someone who is a danger to himself or others.

Currently, people involved in abortion reflect not only interior pain, but a cultural disease. Unconsciously aware that something is deeply wrong, too many unhealed women are already “sending themselves” to jail for (other) crimes committed after abortion. By the time we succeed in re-criminalization, there will have been so much healing in our culture that abortion will once again be unthinkable. Thus, someone who committed abortion would be personally aberrant – most likely, insane.

Assuming that we enacted penalties for multiple contributors (the crime’s victim-perpetrators/observer-accessories), the mother’s “sentencing” could normally be through the mental health system. Most cases could even be “statused-out” so that prosecution was deferred pending treatment through a quality post-abortion healing program and treatment-compliant women could end up without a criminal record

theinterim.com/2007/nov/05considering.html
 
not prison, but into an enclosed institution that does counseling and healing of post abortion syndrome.
 
katy said:
I say no, because I remember very well before abortion became legal that it was just the abortionist who faced legal action and that seemed right. The woman may have committed a grave sin…or not. Many women are forced into abortions. Who knows for sure? The abortionist, however, knows exactly what is happening and making a good profit from it. That person is getting paid to kill, not acting from panic or possibly the point of a gun, which has been known to happen.
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Agree!🙂
 
You forgot the father. He should also be gaoled unless he can show that he did everything reasonably within his power to prevent the abortion. Or else that he was unaware the mother was pregnant and had given her no reason to think he would not accept a child.

Most abortions are committed because the father has refused to acknowledge or care for the child, or he has indicated beforehand he will not accept reponsibility for any child he maty father, or else he has implied this to the mother.

Of course there are some fine men who are only too willing to acknowledge and be a real father to the child, but the mother aborts him anyway. Or the even sadder cases where the father never even knew that he was a father.
 
Hokomai said:
So how if this different from a prison?
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I once dreamed of a large kind of hospital that had many rooms. There were women and children in this hospital and a lot of nuns. The children were there to sing songs of joy all day. Yhey were running in and out and all around the hospital. The nuns were cooking, cleaning, decorating, caring and serving during a big feast. It was a feast day. Suddenly I could see a particular group around a table, a family with husband, wife and six children. They were special guests. The women that lived in the rooms of the hospital were staring at them and watched them eating their meal. The childrens choir was singing on a stage, entertaining many people in the big hall. Everything seemed peaceful and it was like on a wedding feast. Tables were decorated with white table cloths, flowers everywhere.
In the next moment I saw myself kneeling and folding my hands during a latin mass, the priest consecrated the host and lifts the host up for everyone to look at.
 
katy said:
I say no, because I remember very well before abortion became legal that it was just the abortionist who faced legal action and that seemed right. The woman may have committed a grave sin…or not. Many women are forced into abortions. Who knows for sure? The abortionist, however, knows exactly what is happening and making a good profit from it. That person is getting paid to kill, not acting from panic or possibly the point of a gun, which has been known to happen.
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That’s what the courts are for.

I don’t see how it’s any different from walking up to the neighbor’s front lawn and shooting their child in the head. No less horrific, no less impacting.

If we are horrified by murder of a living person and demand they are put in prison, why are we so squeamish to demand the same for those who murder their own unborn children? Because it’s emotional and difficult? So is killing your born and living children, but women do this all the time, and they are sent to prison. I don’t get the double standard.

~Liza
 
Did you know that many pro-abortion people think that those of us who think getting an abortion or performing an abortion should be punished with jail or prison time are dangerous? I think I read something the other day where they basically equated people who think it should be punished with criminals who bomb abortion clinics and murder abortionists.
 
I voted based on your OP which assumes the woman’s choice was made freely - not coerced.

That said, I agree with the other posters who have brought up the fact that the woman is often in a very fragile mental and emotional state and as such is less culpable than the person who deliberately and knowingly offers themselves as the 'hit man" for the purpose of killing the child.
It would be a matter for the legislature and the courts to determine appropriate culpability and punishment.

Peace
James
 
It is true that many women (though not most statistically I’ve heard) ARE coerced,
by the husbands, or their “baby-daddys” (boyfriends), or sometimes, God help us,
by their OWN PARENTS, into getting abortions.

Still, let us not forget that the Pro-Abortion movment and the ferocious activity to
keep ALL abortion, right up to Full Term Pregnancy, LEGAL, is being pushed
by the overwhelmingly female dominated National Organization for Women
and other “Women’s” Groups dominated by women.

So yes, the abortionist is more guilty because he is making a living (!!) from this,
but in general, the women are not innocent at all either. You have these days
some women who have had upward of 6 to 14 abortions.
Look, what is it now, 1.7 million abortions since 1973?
There are NOT 1.7 million women who, individually, have had abortions.
There are a lot, but nowhere near that many individual women.
Most women, even those who think abortion should be “Legal,”
think it is or should be done ONLY if the mom’s life is in danger or she was raped
(reasoning: why should she be forced to carry her RAPIST’s child??) or forced into incest and abominate the idea of abortion (as it is really used today) as a form of mere
“Birth Control.”
I don’t condone abortion at all, I’m just relaying what I’ve been told by many women.
They hate the idea of it, but think it should be legal in those situations, but do not realize
that I think 97% of abortions are NOT performed for those “Extreme” reasons, according to statistics published in the past by Planned Parenthood’s Guttmacher institute, I believe.
Most who have abortions, then, are people who have had more than one of them, because MOST American women are NOT aborting their babies. And 1.7 million certainly have not.
You can read stories about the women who sleep with anyone in pants and go and have an abortion, over and over, every time they get pregnant by their new “baby daddy.”
I don’t know where that stupid expression originated, by the way, but it is commonly used by women under 30 of ALL ethnic groups. I hear it at work and in restaurant conversations all the time. “My baby-daddy this, and My baby-daddy” that.
Talk about the dumbing-down of a nation.
Abortion is homicide. The one performing it is more guilty than the one receiving it,
BUT, remember, unless she is forced, the woman is not innocent, because
it takes two to tango.
 
The abortionist should permanantly lose his or her medical license (if applicable) and should serve jail time. The woman should be dealt with with consideration given to her age, mental state, and whether or not it was her first offense.
 
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not prison, but into an enclosed institution that does counseling and healing of post abortion syndrome.

So how if this different from a prison? **

How is the above different from a prison? My lord, watch LOCKUP on Friday and Saturday nights, overnight, on MSNBC sometime. Prisons are diabolical places, filled with ferociously violent (and hypocritical too) Sociopaths who viciously rape the new inmates in ways too diabolical and perverse to be thoroughly described here, but I will go so far as to say that they use broom handles on the victim, both on women and on men.
The violence in prisons is beyond description and constant, with satanic-level beatings, stabbings, “slicing” of other inmates faces with razors or anything else sharp. Despite tons of guards (some of whom are vicious sickos themselves), the prisons are FULL of HARD, illegal drugs, full of hardcore pornography, rampant practice of sodomy and lesbianism, continuous, nonstop filthy and blasphemous language.
These are Satanic places.
Interestingly, the Old Testament Law for Israel made NO provision for such places.
And THIS Law was given Directly by God. Those committing what we today call “Mortal Sin” were put to death. Now, put to death or forced to live in a demon infested prison for 30 years (and they are full of demons, for they are drawn to despair, violence, rape, and they promote it too).

As for beloved Mother Teresa, yes the mom having the abortion has taken a life and deserves jail time. Or worse, actually, Because murder is a capital sin as are all mortal sins, by the way. We don’t like to hear that. But it’s true.
King David and King Manasseh were both murderers and committers of other forms of mortal sin. God did not enforce His Own death penalty on THEM, which shows that such severe punishments are not ALWAYS required by God (and Manasseh was a mass-murderer, idolator, apostate, and child killer who murdered his own little kids in the fires of Molech the Idol-god).

These issues are difficult to resolve. We can’t let abortion remain legal.
But how to punish it once it is (please God) re-declared officially a state “crime.”??
That’s not easy. The abortionist is making money hand over fist doing this and is in no fear or despair for his health. He hasn’t been raped and is carrying a rapist’s baby and traumatized by that fact. The woman sometimes IS. He is NOT.
Surprisingly, though, many abortionists when interviewed seem to actually believe, yes actually BELIEVE, that they are not killing a “person.” The propaganda has worked very, very well. Once it is re-criminalized, there needs to be a massive re-education of doctors as to the REALITY of what this practice IS, because, subjectively, some of these men are not guilty. Objectively they are, but not subjectively, SOME of them.

But once it is made clear to all, and their minds disabused of the horrific 39 year long lie perpetuated on this Nation, then from then on, those who perform this act should
be charged with homicide.
Many of the women receiving it ARE traumatized into the procedure,
but the doctors are not traumatized and are acting 100% of their own volition.
And usually just for MONEY.
 
Holly3278 said:
I thought I would make this poll to find our what everyone’s opinion is on this matter. If abortion is ever criminalized, should women getting an abortion (supposing that they freely chose to get an abortion) and the abortionist face prison time for doing so? My opinion is that they should both face prison time. The abortionist would face a charge of murder and the woman would face a similar charge such as that of being an accomplice to murder.
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I answered yes, but that is simply how you defined in what way Abortion is criminalized: You call it murder.

If we define Abortion, rightfully, as homicide that the abortion practitioner and the woman who procured the abortion would have to be charged with homicide. As such they would face a sentence and punishment similar to that of someone murdering someone outside of the womb.

It’s a matter of under what law abortion is criminalized: Civil or Criminal and if Criminal is it defined as homicide, if it is then the abortion=homicide and should be treated as such.
 
This is a difficult question.

Doctors - yes.

Women - in quite a few cases, many of them would be not guilty by reason of insanity (stress, coercion). Whoever coerced them (if it can be proven) should do the time. If a woman freely sought an abortion I would support a stiff fine. Mainly because anything else would be egregiously difficult and costly to enforce.
 
AthenaC said:
This is a difficult question.

Doctors - yes.

Women - in quite a few cases, many of them would be not guilty by reason of insanity (stress, coercion). Whoever coerced them (if it can be proven) should do the time. If a woman freely sought an abortion I would support a stiff fine. Mainly because anything else would be egregiously difficult and costly to enforce.
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I think the penalty should be the same as if the woman had paid someone to kill a baby that was born. In such a case, the punishment would be based on the circumstances. For example, if a 13yo girl’s father took her baby to be murdered, she would probably not be prosecuted, but her father would serve time in prison. I don’t think there should be a lighter sentence for abortion than the murder of a newborn, but obviously, there are different conditions that a judge should consider when sentencing.
 
First, you would have to prove that an abortion had been committed. Unless you catch him in the act, there is no evidence against the abortionist.

Second, the mother’s testimony against the abortionist would be useless, since it would be “he said, she said” which cancels out both testimony.

If caught in the act, the abortionist is the murderer (knife for hire). The mother is a conspirator. Both are culpable.

As to prison time … leave it to the judge.
 
Charlemagne_II said:
First, you would have to prove that an abortion had been committed.
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Good thought. From where I sit, the only way to reliably prove an abortion would be to begin the practice of registering pregnancies the way we register new life on the birth certificate. No woman contemplating abortion would register her pregnancy, so that issue may be problematic. Plus, if a woman registers her pregnancy and then loses the baby through miscarriage, it would open up a whole new can of worms with regard to potential prosecution, because someone would have to investigate and determine whether there was a miscarriage or an abortion.

I can already see a ton of problematic implications from trying to have any sort of law on the books …
 
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