If all evil leads to a greater good, what's the usefulness in morals and law?

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Something’s been troubling me recently. If God allows evil in the world because some/most/all of it leads to a greater good by some means. The problem is, what, then, is the point of law, morals, and justice? Why should we follow the 10 commandments if breaking them could lead to a greater good? Why shouldn’t we steal or do drugs or shoot cops when it leads, or could lead, to a greater good? Is there any reason for punishment and hell? Can anything go against God when it all leads to good?
 
We follow the 10 Commandments and all of God’s laws because that is what he wants us to do. Even though evil may somehow lead to the greater good (which I’m very confused at how that works) to commit evil acts is to act against what God wants for us. To keep His commandments is an act of devout faith. We should strive to do all we can for God, not blatantly break his Commandments and laws.
 
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Why should we follow the 10 commandments if breaking them could lead to a greater good?
Doesn’t your religion answer for you? if you submit to the Catholic God, the reason you shouldn’t do X (something God says not to do) which leads to a greater good Y (in your estimation) is precisely because you’ve chosen to do what He tells you to. Atheists (those who do not believe in gods) are free to do whatever they judge to be the best course of action.
 
Doesn’t your religion answer for you? if you submit to the Catholic God, the reason you shouldn’t do X (something God says not to do) which leads to a greater good Y (in your estimation) is precisely because you’ve chosen to do what He tells you to. Atheists (those who do not believe in gods) are free to do whatever they judge to be the best course of action.
I believe you misunderstood Pieman’s question. He’s not asking why God asks us to do things that we believe are against the greater good; personally, I haven’t found any Catholic teaching that I find morally abhorrent. He is asking what the point is of being moral at all if, after all, God’s will is sovereign, so all the evil in the world must be according to His will. I admit it is a rather perplexing problem.

Perhaps it is a sign of just how much God respects the gift of free will that He has given us. If some people (most, rather) prefer evil to God, He will not stop them from reaping what they have sown (i.e. hell). If what is best for those who hate God is separation from
Him, and if God wants what is best for His creation, who are we to say the existence of evil is unfair? True freedom and happiness are the choice of good over evil when given one, rather than mandatory coercion into doing what is right against your will.

But then, perhaps Pieman really is questioning God’s morality. If so, I ask him why he believes his sense of morality is supreme in the first place. That goes for you, as well, LifeIsAbsurd. If you believe that you are little more than an accident of circumstance, how do you know your morality is the true morality? Personally, I have the humility to realize that I cannot possibly decide what is good and evil for myself. I believe there is an objective moral standard, and it seems much more likely that a creator would reveal it to his creation, as God does, than the possibility that we have to discover that standard for ourselves, just as we discover scientific mysteries. Human intuition and common sense tell us that morality is different from physics and mathematics. Why? Because the laws of morality can be broken (ironically, by us, while physical and mathematical laws could only be broken by God, if at all; yet moral laws can’t seem to be broken by God…).
 
Because all evil shall indeed lead to a greater good, as long as one always chooses to do good over evil. How else shall good prevail over evil??. Jesuschrist shall never let evil take over the whole world , however we must play our part as well.

In times such as these it has become harder to tell the difference between right and wrong, good and evil. Hence morals and laws are necessary. God had already foreseen the struggles we would face and thats why he gave us the 10 commandments.
 
Something’s been troubling me recently. If God allows evil in the world because some/most/all of it leads to a greater good by some means. The problem is, what, then, is the point of law, morals, and justice? Why should we follow the 10 commandments if breaking them could lead to a greater good? Why shouldn’t we steal or do drugs or shoot cops when it leads, or could lead, to a greater good? Is there any reason for punishment and hell? Can anything go against God when it all leads to good?
The reason that the statement which starts the OP – if all evil leads to a greater good – causes trouble is because it is an incorrect statement to being with. It is a mishmash.

One should be able to recognize the obvious error in the OP beginning. Evil can never ever lead to a greater good. Right? Talk about a flat out contradiction.

The real statement regarding evil and good comes from St. Thomas Aquinas. It is: “There is nothing to prevent human nature’s being raised up to something greater, even after sin; God permits evil in order to draw forth some greater good. Thus St. Paul says, ‘where sin increased, grace abounded all the more’;…” Source, Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, paragraph 412. However, I recommend to start reading at paragraph 410.

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granny

“The shepherds sing; and shall I silent be?”
from the poem “Christmas” by George Herbert

The “Twelve Days of Christmas” are meant to be celebrated.
 
Well if God’s going to win either way, we might as well be on his side.
 
Pieman

*Why shouldn’t we steal or do drugs or shoot cops when it leads, or could lead, to a greater good? Is there any reason for punishment and hell? Can anything go against God when it all leads to good? *

Not all evil leads to a greater good. Sometimes it leads to a greater evil … such as damnation, which can hardly be called a greater good.
 
Life is too complex for us to know whether doing evil in any particular situation will lead to a greater good. As we cannot see the ultimate outcome of events we should trust in Providence and leave it to God to bring good out of evil rather than take the risk of doing more harm than good. Our task is to follow our conscience to the best of our ability and, if necessary, choose the lesser of two evils. To go out of our way to cause misery and suffering in the hope that our victims will become saints and experience more joy in heaven is sheer folly… 🙂
 
Something’s been troubling me recently. If God allows evil in the world because some/most/all of it leads to a greater good by some means. The problem is, what, then, is the point of law, morals, and justice? Why should we follow the 10 commandments if breaking them could lead to a greater good? Why shouldn’t we steal or do drugs or shoot cops when it leads, or could lead, to a greater good? Is there any reason for punishment and hell? Can anything go against God when it all leads to good?
According to Chabad, God once created the world based entirely on evil but the world could not sustain itself. For the world to sustain itself God needed to show mercy and offer salvation. Hence, not all evil leads to good!
 
Something’s been troubling me recently. If God allows evil in the world because some/most/all of it leads to a greater good by some means. The problem is, what, then, is the point of law, morals, and justice? Why should we follow the 10 commandments if breaking them could lead to a greater good? Why shouldn’t we steal or do drugs or shoot cops when it leads, or could lead, to a greater good? Is there any reason for punishment and hell? Can anything go against God when it all leads to good?
Because the greater good is for creation to come to recognize the validity of the Law for itself, the chief of which is to love God with your whole heart soul, mind, and strength and your neighbor as yourself.
 
Something’s been troubling me recently. If God allows evil in the world because some/most/all of it leads to a greater good by some means. The problem is, what, then, is the point of law, morals, and justice? Why should we follow the 10 commandments if breaking them could lead to a greater good? Why shouldn’t we steal or do drugs or shoot cops when it leads, or could lead, to a greater good? Is there any reason for punishment and hell? Can anything go against God when it all leads to good?
Perhaps the part you are missing is that God created us all with free will and gives us the choice to do evil or to choose to follow God’s instructions and laws which is where the good comes from. When the evil is done, God can still bring good out of the situation, but only after we turn away from our free will and put God in control. He permits us to make the choice, going on our own path and left to our own devices which more than not leads to evil, OR choose to discern God’s path and reap the blessings. Blessings though can take many forms, not just pretty packages or outcomes as the World would like to define them.
 
God allows evil in the world because some/most/all of it leads to a greater good by some means.
Not necessarily true. Depends on whether you’re talking about moral evil or natural evil. Moral evil is justified through the free will defense (see Alvin Plantinga…yeah, philosophers actually solved something :p). Natural evil (suffering caused by non-human causes e.g. earthquakes etc.) could actually be non-existent as evil. It is just our flawed perception of it that makes us think it’s evil. From God’s eyes, suffering may be a good in its own right. God used suffering on the cross to redeem us, and unless we want to make God a utilitarian (and if we want to remain Christians, we don’t) then we have to accept that suffering is actually a mis-perceived good.
 
Natural evil (suffering caused by non-human causes e.g. earthquakes etc.) could actually be non-existent as evil. It is just our flawed perception of it that makes us think it’s evil. From God’s eyes, suffering may be a good in its own right. God used suffering on the cross to redeem us, and unless we want to make God a utilitarian (and if we want to remain Christians, we don’t) then we have to accept that suffering is actually a mis-perceived good.
It is more reasonable to believe that suffering which has a physical cause is a necessary evil rather than a misperceived good. It would be wrong to inflict suffering for its own sake.
 
Sometimes I feel like there are not many Catholics on Catholic Answers. If there is a need for a greater good due to a great evil it does not mean the person causing / living the evil is going to share in the greater good. They may just have a greater punishment when the Holy rejoice in God’s victory.
 
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