If All Sin Is Purged In Heaven

[Starwynd]

Will we still be able to keep our core personalities, whatever they may be?

For example, I love science and computers and space stuff and science fiction. I like learning things. I don’t want to stop learning things. I like computer games as well. I like reading books of all sorts. Would that be seen as sinful and purged from me?

And what about things you love and like? Would they be purged from you as well?

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Will we still be able to keep our core personalities, whatever they may be?

For example, I love science and computers and space stuff and science fiction. I like learning things. I don’t want to stop learning things. I like computer games as well. I like reading books of all sorts. Would that be seen as sinful and purged from me?

And what about things you love and like? Would they be purged from you as well?

Sin is not a part of our personalities - it is a parasite on them. Sin corrupts us; it coarsens us, ages & disintegrates us - sin is bad for the health . The blessed are more human than we are, not less - anything but. We sinners are the ones who are not really persons ; we are “works in progress”; grace is what builds us up, & restores the damage sin does in us. We are like Frankenstein’s monster - an untidy mass of patches & bits & pieces. God did not make man a mass of patches & bits & pieces - He made him upright. The Saints are fully repaired, so fully, that they are more complete than Adam was before the Fall. This is where the BVM comes in - she is what all of us were “meant” to be. She is the only human being who has ever lived, because we are sub-human.​

As for the rest: all our loving & pleasures have to be ordered by the Love of God; our growth in Christ is a setting in order of our loves - one of the results of sin is to bring chaos into us, to disorder us.

Any use to you ?

 

[Jerry-Jet]

Perfection and Holiness do not mandate SAMENESS.

God created different sexes, different races, and yes different temperaments.

You’ll be the perfect you in Heaven but you will still be you and all the other saints in Heaven will praise God for the differences that make you unique and give God glory!

 

[grandfather]

Sin is not a part of our personalities - it is a parasite on them. …Any use to you ?​

That was great insight. I think the main question was about keeping the same interests when we leave here, which we see as instrinsic to our personalities. For the OP, will he remain curious about the same things and discovering more about them.

Will there be curiosity in heaven? Will we wonder about things. We will probably be in wonder, but not wonder. We will have full knowledge of everything we can know and that will primarily be abut God Himself, I think. We will not be absorbed with wondering about the creation, but rather absorbed by looking at the beauty of the Creator and never tiring of doing that, because it is always new.

The things we study now we plod and grope over with dulled intelligence to make small gains. In heaven awareness and knowledge is poured into the soul. This is only speculation on my part. What is not speculation is that things will be very different when we leave sin nature behind.

 

[Christy_Beth]

We are “sub-humans”? Where did you get that idea? Just because we have a sinful nature it doesn’t mean we are less human. Nothing can take away our humanness. Our problem is that, because of sin, we are out of sinc with God. By repenting we put ourselves back on track, with plenty of help from Him of course.

 

[Lief_Erikson]

That was great insight. I think the main question was about keeping the same interests when we leave here, which we see as instrinsic to our personalities. For the OP, will he remain curious about the same things and discovering more about them.

Will there be curiosity in heaven? Will we wonder about things. We will probably be in wonder, but not wonder. We will have full knowledge of everything we can know and that will primarily be abut God Himself, I think. We will not be absorbed with wondering about the creation, but rather absorbed by looking at the beauty of the Creator and never tiring of doing that, because it is always new.

Well . . . I’d hesitate to say that, frankly . Jesus mentioned that the angels in heaven long to look into the things of the end, if I recall correctly. Which definitely would be curiosity. The martyrs in Revelation also are portrayed as pleading with God, “how long until our blood is avenged?” And he urged patience, that it would come when the fullness of their number was complete.

Entering Heaven does not grant omniscience. And anything of God that remains unknown to us, is stands to reason we’ll want to know more about . I suspect it’ll instead be a time of infinite discovery, because God Himself is infinite.

I could be wrong, of course .

The things we study now we plod and grope over with dulled intelligence to make small gains. In heaven awareness and knowledge is poured into the soul. This is only speculation on my part. What is not speculation is that things will be very different when we leave sin nature behind.

I suspect we will indeed have knowledge poured out into us and far more available to us. There will certainly be fewer barriers between us and knowledge because of the completeness of our unity with Christ, “The Wisdom of God.”

On a different note, I completely agree with Gottle of Geer about sin’s impact marring the personality. In Heaven our personalities will be completed, fully human. Sin mangles the personality. Its absence will make us fully human, fully ourselves, or who God meant us to be.

As for our current interests- if we lose them, it will only be because we find that we have more interesting things to focus on . Which we very probably will .

But I suspect that our interests, like our personalities, will be in some way “fulfilled,” brought to the glorious completion God has in mind for each part of who we are. That’s just my suspicion.

 

[grandfather]

]Well . . . I’d hesitate to say that, frankly . Jesus mentioned that the angels in heaven long to look into the things of the end, if I recall correctly. Which definitely would be curiosity. The martyrs in Revelation also are portrayed as pleading with God, “how long until our blood is avenged?” And he urged patience, that it would come when the fullness of their number was complete.

This is a great mystery, for me at least. How can the saints in heaven be perfectly happy, lacking nothing to complete perfect happiness and still want something? Interceding for us seems to imply they “want” for something, some good for us here. Maybe they will not be completely fulfilled until the end of time for all. Saint Paul talks about the Old Testament figures being saved by faith and concludes by saying they are not made perfect without us. Somehow all must be linked in the communion of saints.

Entering Heaven does not grant omniscience. And anything of God that remains unknown to us, is stands to reason we’ll want to know more about . I suspect it’ll instead be a time of infinite discovery, because God Himself is infinite.

The imagery we have is all the souls eternally enthralled before the throne of God, seeing Him face to face, infinite beauty.

On a different note, I completely agree with Gottle of Geer about sin’s impact marring the personality. In Heaven our personalities will be completed, fully human. Sin mangles the personality. Its absence will make us fully human, fully ourselves, or who God meant us to be.

This is our great hope.

 

[Spirithound]

We are “sub-humans”? Where did you get that idea? Just because we have a sinful nature it doesn’t mean we are less human. Nothing can take away our humanness. Our problem is that, because of sin, we are out of sinc with God. By repenting we put ourselves back on track, with plenty of help from Him of course.

Well no, we are fully human, but we’re not “being all that we can be” as of yet. As made in God’s image, we were not meant to do many of the things we do. When we arrive in heaven, that has been taken care of, and I think that’s what the PP meant by saying those in heaven are even more human than we are.

 

[buffalo]

Personality is different from character. You will have a sin free character.

 

[Lief_Erikson]

This is a great mystery, for me at least. How can the saints in heaven be perfectly happy, lacking nothing to complete perfect happiness and still want something? Interceding for us seems to imply they “want” for something, some good for us here. Maybe they will not be completely fulfilled until the end of time for all. Saint Paul talks about the Old Testament figures being saved by faith and concludes by saying they are not made perfect without us. Somehow all must be linked in the communion of saints.

This is also confirmed by the passages in Romans and Ephesians about the Church all being one body, and when one part suffers, every part suffers.

Another wrinkle to it all is that God Himself feels grief at times, and longing, longing for His Bride and the redemption of the world. And that is part of His love. If anyone is in perfect happiness, surely God is. Yet he too is capable of feeling this way.

Hmm. I agree with you; it is a puzzle .

The imagery we have is all the souls eternally enthralled before the throne of God, seeing Him face to face, infinite beauty.

Yes, one of the stunningly beautiful concepts I received upon becoming Catholic, which I lacked as a Protestant . It’s kind of there in Protestantism, but it’s not very clearly spelled out or authoritatively taught.

We also know that angels or saints can travel about on Earth doing God’s will while simultaneously spiritually glorifying God forever in this state of perception of the beatific vision. So it’s not a geographically pinned down condition. One can, it seems, be doing all kinds of things while in this state- such as the Virgin Mary praying for the saints on Earth. She isn’t distracted from glorifying God while she’s praying for the saints- her very actions are part of her glorification of God. So it will be for all the saints and angels, I imagine. They eternally praise and glorify God, and simultaneously they can do all kinds of material things or hold conversations with one another, while simultaneously seeing the face of God and giving him glory through all they do and say and think.

This would be, I think, how the final chapter of Revelation and some of the Old Testament prophecies of the New Heaven and New Earth can be fulfilled. We can be on a New Earth doing all kinds of material things to God’s glory while simultaneously praising him and glorifying Him before his throne, beholding His face, unceasingly.

That’s how I understand it, anyway.