If CC becomes reconciled, will Protestants too?

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In that case you are certainly wrong in saying that Catholics regard the Orthodox as a “complete” Church. On average they grant you more than you grant them, but they don’t think you are “complete” without them.
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Precisely, I do not think we are.
 
Among others, it has fallen to Orthodoxy to carry the mantle of celebrating the Lords Epiphany. Yes, we have the feast in our missals but do we really celebrate it?

Do we afford it the same as His Nativity?

We also have dropped a lot of the saints in the Orthodox calendar. We need sit up and take note.

Perhaps our Orthodox friends would notify us of their most prominent saints, that we too may praise God for them and their gift to us

We RC’s have a lot of catching up to do. :rolleyes:
 
Sixtus said:
The Catholic Church accepts Orthodox as a ‘complete’ church. Orthodoxy does not accept the Catholic Church as complete.
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The Orthodox hold no heretical views, not so for some of the Protestant sects.
 
Protestants would likely not even feel it affects them. “Protestants” in general, no longer feel they “Protest” anything. A large portion of them don’t even know much about the CC and very few even know who the Orthodox are!
 
In Europe, it would be viewed by most people as the merger of two dwindling institutions, both of which are losing membership every year in every major European country in which they are present.

The evangelical churches and movements, which are growing in Europe, would view this combined church as more a real estate deal, with a united owner gaining control over a lot of valuable property. As far as a movement of followers of Jesus, I cannot imagine that the would want anything to do with this new Orthodox/Roman Catholic church. Why take on the problems of these dwindling institutions when their communities are vibrant and growing?
 
The Euro-Asia Eastern European reunion is very possible. But it will not garner support here in the States. I’ve been to the Eastern Orthodox forum and asked why. One of the primary issues is Purgatory. It seems the Amercian side of Eastern Orthodox does not accept this doctrine. Plus they allow their Priests to marry. With exception of a Bishop. A Bishop cannot ever marry. A priest that is married can never be appointed as a Bishop.
 
JesusforMadrid said:
In Europe, it would be viewed by most people as the merger of two dwindling institutions, both of which are losing membership every year in every major European country in which they are present.

The evangelical churches and movements, which are growing in Europe, would view this combined church as more a real estate deal, with a united owner gaining control over a lot of valuable property. As far as a movement of followers of Jesus, I cannot imagine that the would want anything to do with this new Orthodox/Roman Catholic church. Why take on the problems of these dwindling institutions when their communities are vibrant and growing?
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Because these institutions have historic succession from the Apostles, and without that (or some connections thereto) movements of followers of Jesus are just a bunch of self-willed people chasing nice religious experiences.

Please note the parenthetical comment–all Protestants in fact do have some connection to historical Christianity. But the farther Protestants move away from the historic mainstream of Christianity (which, like it or not, means Catholicism and Orthodoxy), the closer my harsh comments come to being true.

In Christ,

Edwin
 
JoeyWarren said:
The Euro-Asia Eastern European reunion is very possible. But it will not garner support here in the States. I’ve been to the Eastern Orthodox forum and asked why. One of the primary issues is Purgatory. It seems the Amercian side of Eastern Orthodox does not accept this doctrine. Plus they allow their Priests to marry. With exception of a Bishop. A Bishop cannot ever marry. A priest that is married can never be appointed as a Bishop.
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One correction–they allow married people to become priests (but not, as you note, bishops). They do not allow priests to marry. I don’t think there’s any record that Catholicism or Orthodoxy has ever allowed priests to marry, as opposed to married people becoming priests (and in the past, bishops).

Edwin
 
exoflare said:
I guess it’s possible in theory, but I cannot really see any scenario where the Orthodox would settle for anything less than doing away with Papal infallability.
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Like the Orthodox would really accept the Authority of the Church saying it did not have an authority, authoritatively.

:rolleyes:
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Contarini said:
Because these institutions have historic succession from the Apostles, and without that (or some connections thereto) movements of followers of Jesus are just a bunch of self-willed people chasing nice religious experiences.

Please note the parenthetical comment–all Protestants in fact do have some connection to historical Christianity. But the farther Protestants move away from the historic mainstream of Christianity (which, like it or not, means Catholicism and Orthodoxy), the closer my harsh comments come to being true.

In Christ,

Edwin
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If it is not Catholic, it is not mainstream… unless you are suggesting that there is another true and valid belief system in the world that IS mainstream.

At times I think you are more Catholic than most Catholics… at other times I am just puzzeled by your own choice of which faith community to follow.
 
MrS said:
If it is not Catholic, it is not mainstream… unless you are suggesting that there is another true and valid belief system in the world that IS mainstream.

At times I think you are more Catholic than most Catholics… at other times I am just puzzeled by your own choice of which faith community to follow.
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I will second that. I’ve been enjoying his rebuttals on another thread concerning Peter’s Primacy and within the first 200 years.
 
MrS said:
If it is not Catholic, it is not mainstream… unless you are suggesting that there is another true and valid belief system in the world that IS mainstream.
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MrS, please reread what I wrote. I said that Catholicism and Orthodoxy together form the historic mainstream of Christianity. Catholics would agree, insofar as they recognize the Orthodox as having apostolic succession. Please bear in mind that I was speaking as a Protestant to a Protestant.
At times I think you are more Catholic than most Catholics… at other times I am just puzzeled by your own choice of which faith community to follow.
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So am I, brother, so am I. . . .

Actually I flatter myself that my views are consistent, but to understand how you’d have to be a closer student of my theology than anyone other than myself (and maybe my wife) has any reason to be!

Edwin
 
Sixtus said:
What scares me is 'were we the first Protestants?
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Depends on your point of view. From a Catholic perspective, the Orthodox could be said to have been the first Protestants, but the Catholic Church does not like to say it. (Let’s not start the quote mine citations in this thread. The Primacy of Peter is not the topic here, nor are the complaints one may have against another.)

Like Flannery O’Connor, I believe certain types of Protestants (fundamentalists, especially Southern fundamentalists) are, in their hearts, not all that far away from the Catholic Church, and conversions in my parish are pretty strong evidence to me that she was right. As institutions, I cannot picture a reconciliation with Protestantism. But I think a lot of Protestants are going to be reconciled to the CC in decades to come. I think reunion of the CC and the OC is far away, in the same sort of way that reunion of the CC and the SSPV is far away, and neither is, in any case, particularly relevant to the question of Catholic relationships with Protestants.
 
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