If "Eve became the mother of all the living," where did Seth and Cain find spouses?

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I know you made that distinction. However, many people still believe that there was a single fist human. I am simply saying that is not what science teaches even if some others do.
 
TomH1 said:
Infer means, here, means to draw a conclusion from what is said and written.
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Yes, that is correct. So to state that a written sentence infers something is incorrect. Only people can infer.
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that there was a first human, an already widely held misconception.
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Which is part of Catholic doctrine. So Catholics are automatically mistaken? ETA: Yes, I am aware that science doesn’t teach that, and I didn’t deny it, but your statement was that the idea of a first human was a misconception, without specifying a field of study.
 
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TomH1 said:
It is humans reading the statements made that are doing it.
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Which is exactly what I have been saying, as opposed to your statement that a post or article infers something.
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Please cite a source from the Magisterium where the Church teaches this
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There are several articles in the CCC, first 360, and several others following in the 360-380 range that state or at least imply it. Also see Humani Generis and take a look at Adam, Eve, and Evolution | Catholic Answers Tract.
 
I certainly agree that the CCC suggests that we are to take the story of Creation in Genesis literally. However, it seems to me the Church has also often taught that we are not to treat the story of Creation in Genesis as literally true. several popes have also said that the science of evolution is to be generally accepted.

I have taken comfort from this because as a Catholic and a biologist I am going to have problems with the issue of evolution. Indeed, Kenneth Miller, a well-known cell biologist and Catholic has defended evolution in court cases (at least one I know of) in the USA. I do know the argument in court was about whether schools boards could direct biology teachers to teach creation. However, I do not think Prof. Miller would defend evolution in a court of law if it contradicted the Catholic Faith.
 
TomH1 said:
I certainly agree that the CCC suggests that we are to take the story of Creation in Genesis literally.
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How interesting that you inferred that which I did not imply, and have even argued vehemently against in other threads. You asked for a “first human” reference and several were provided. I believe it is in Humani Generis about evolution being acceptable as long as it is understood that Catholics must believe that there was a first pair of “fully” human ancestors, which we call Adam and Eve.
 
In line with CAF’s notice: Please Keep It Edifying in the Final Days of the CAFs, I am muting this thread and no longer participating in argument solely for argument’s sake. I do not wish to spend the short time that remains prior to CAF’s demise suspended or banned.
 
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I did search the forums, but I didn’t see anything promising.
Ok, so Eve is mother of all of the living. But there are a few unexplained details of that.
1: Cain and Seth needed spouses to have children, where did the spouses come from?
2: We can trace the mitochondrial DNA of all humans back to one woman Eve. How does that makes sense if other women had children with Seth and Cain? OTOH: if we assume that that one woman is not Eve, then who is it, Seth’s, or Cain’s wife?

Thanks!

PS: As I’ve said before in my OPs, I’m not trying to disprove any of the faith. I just don’t understand certain parts of it.
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This will forever be a mystery.
The Church speaks about the spiritual realities, it speaks about God’s power and providence and God’s role in creation.
The science, or “the how” of it, is forever a mystery.
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
There’s no need to go delving back into historical sources when we have the Church teaching on it set forth in current apologetics.

I would suggest that with this forum going away, you get used to searching the main Catholic Answers website and similar websites like Institute of Catholic Culture.
They have many tracts and articles that answer questions like your own.
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I did search the forums, I didn’t think to search the website.

As for the point you’re making about going to other websites, I come from a parish where my mother had to warn me about heretical movements distributing materials and doing meetings of some sort (Call to action was one of them.)
Therefore, I’m very suspicious of the idea of doing a web search towards then end of obtaining authentic Catholic teaching.
That being said, I will have to go to another site and I will find it hard to locate one to frequent.
 
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1: Cain and Seth needed spouses to have children, where did the spouses come from?
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At least two possibilities come to mind:
  1. Eve gave birth to some daughters, who became wives to their older brothers Cain and Seth.
  2. God put Cain and Seth into deep sleeps, took out a rib from each of them, and used these ribs to create wives for Cain and Seth just as He created Eve from Adam’s rib.
Apart from a literal interpretation, if you hold that Adam was just the first member of the genus homo to have a human soul then it could be that Cain and Seth’s mates were from outside Adam’s clan, or that they are Adam’s daughters by adoption.
 
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Since I don’t see a contact page.
My dear admins, lynx is not a web crawler. It’s a web browser. http://lynx.browser.org/
For some reason it worked a few days ago, but now it fails with “Crawler is not allowed!”. Please fix this.
Thanks
 
AlNg said:
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The reason it’s a sin now is because it’s obviously not needed to procreate now.
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So the natural moral law changes over time? At one point in time it was Ok for brothers and sisters to get married. But now it is morally wrong for brothers and sisters to marry?
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Moral law does NOT change over time. However, it CAN change depending on circumstances.

For example: let’s pretend that a brother and sister are the only two people on a new Moon base when a Nuclear holocaust takes place and destroys the entire planet and all life.

Assuming that the two have enough natural resources to live indefinitely, would it be better for them to:
  • procreate, in order to save the human race?
  • not procreate and be the last two humans in history?
Personally, in such a circumstance, I would argue that they would have the moral obligation (regarding how icky) to have as many children as possible to save the human race and to grow a lunar colony.
 
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