If evolution theory were true

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PhilVaz:
wild << Also, I hesitated mentioning to Phil I was a woman so I wouldn’t be stereotyped, but I had to be honest when he called me a dude! Truth is an essential ingrediant in an open cooperative. Truth is that men do dominate the sciences! >>

Don’t worry dude, you’ll always be a dude in my book.

These forums are like that deodorant, strong enough for a man, but made for a woman. Thank you and good night. :yawn:

Phil P
:rotfl: :rotfl: You have a great sense of humor Phil! 👍 Appreciate the compliment buddie though I’ll still wear my dress. 😛 I’m like every hard working woman that tries to get the job done. (A serious labor of love and moments of fun with its occasional headache. :D) I’ve worked for giants from around the world. Blame it on them for nicke naming me ‘princess barracuda’ or ‘Mom’, though I :tiphat: off to 'em for having taught me a thing or two, don’t get me wrong, there’s 100% femme flowing through my sensitive, blue blood. After hours, I’m a dancing mush cake.

Powerful link you provided! 👍 That hidden mouse-trap was a real tickle. Cool, dude.

I’ll be to tackling this thread in a few days…as it stands, I’m waiting on a man.

p.s. I’m sure you’ve noticed there’s been a group of bright ladies on another topic in this forum taking care of business.
 
I Leatherman said:
Orogeny: Please don’t laugh. Here is the link.
darwinismrefuted.com/myht_of_homology_04.html

Zian: “Every scientist will agree with the bolded portion of this statement. In fact, it is what they are doing when they are doing their research”

That’s all I’m saying too.
But I’m trying to make the point that amongst scientists there does not appear to be unanimity, as some would imply to other posters here.
Which was why I said I liked this idea:

“Punctuated Equilibrium:
They noticed that the fossil record could be better interpreted by long periods of species stasis with shorter periods of species change." - (this is one observation that I like)”

Ortho: “I am often puzzled by the insistence that modern natural science relies on Darwin.”
Hello Ortho. Yes, it is not so much Darwin and his theory which are the problem, as the age that they were released into society. Evolution as an idea, was made sound like a universal truth long before there was any real science, - as you would recognize science.
It was accepted, or foisted on the population some might say, before anyone, least of all Darwin, could say with hand on heart, that it was true.
That is what science inherited, and the point I make is that Evolution has now fragmented into all sorts of special evolutionary ideas, and divisions, as a result.
And all still continue along the evolutionary tramlines – are there really no choices other than, Literal 6 Day Creationists or Man from Bacteria…we might not know everything yet….

GENOMICS & PROTEOMICS
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“Being Naïve Is A Start
While satisfied with the progress made to date in genomics, Eric Green does not hold back with a call for modesty: “We have been obsessed with genes, finding them, and all of that . . . in reality, I think we will look back on these days of sweat and hard work . . . and we will say ‘boy was that easy’ because we are so, so, so naïve about the remaining functional part of the human genome. That’s the noncoding part.” One major challenge, Green says, is that “we simply do not know what we are looking for.” While there are rules that govern what a gene sequence should be, such as codons, start, and stop sequences as well as computer tools to find them, the genes, says Green, are going to turn out to be only a minority of the functionally important part of the human genome. Mouse-human comparisons reveal that 5% of the human genome is functionally important, and one- third of that sequence is composed of protein-coding genes. “We have been so fixated on genes and now we are waking up to realize that genes are going to be less than half the story, maybe only a third of the story,” he says. “

following paragraph continues in web article **Comparative genomics sheds new light on vertebrate evolution and tells a tale about noncoding regions **

“Why should anyone be interested in a lot of weird organisms, and comparing sequences?” Eric Green asks. The point is not to find genes. “It is to try to start putting down our highlighter, if you will, on parts of the genome and highlight them as being highly conserved across many different species, which provides us a clue that they must be functionally important. Now, we can figure out what they do.” The reason, he says, that comparative sequence analysis is so powerful is because “we have so little else.” In his view, “we don’t know what we are looking for and we don’t have a lot of tools.” For genes, there are cDNA libraries. No such libraries exist for noncoding functional DNA.

To identify the regions of sequence conservation in their study, the team used blastz in order to construct the sequence alignments and MultiPipMaker to compute the alignments of similar regions. The Human Genome Browser at the UCSC was both the main visualization and dissemination tool for this ongoing work. (see sidebar story, p. 22) “This data gets pretty complicated,” Green says and points out that it is one thing to have the human genome sequence and another to compare it to many species and analyze the data in several different ways. “The Human Genome Browser is wonderful,” says Green. “It is a functional access point to the data and the analyses of that data are all done in a very visual way…”

genpromag.com/ShowPR.aspx?PUBCODE=018&ACCT=1800000100&ISSUE=0311&RELTYPE=PR&ORIGRELTYPE=CVS&PRODCODE=00000000&PRODLETT=J
Fasinating article.
 
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Digger71:
quoting a dishonest ego-maniac like Dembski is pointless, his maths is poor, his logic flawed, and his evasions unspeakable.

if you want his work dissected there are thousands of papers doing so.
I agree with you. Please provide viewers of Catholic.com documention that supports our claim is valid. Thank you. 🙂 (All interested parties may contribute too.)
 
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abcdefg:
Some theists who believe in evolution theory explain these to me:
1)Why Genesis chapters of the Bible whose author is God were phrased in such a way that exaggerated God’s role in the creation of life especially human and fooled all the people for 1000 years?
  1. Why God, since He is omnipotent and can draw humans much closer to Him by creating human body from dust and give him life by a breath, instead allowed monkey become a man by pure chance or made human soul and planted it in the monkey.

What “exaggeration” ?​

God does not light the fuse and weak away to a safe distance letting the powder look after it itself - every instant of the existence of creation is evidence of God’s unceasing care of all of it at every moment.

There is no fooling here: or is the Bible to change every few centuries to accomodate changes in man’s understanding of the world about him, of which he is a part ? No other book does - why must Genesis ? Or are we to ditch all knowledge that is not in the Bible, from knowledge of the existence of the USA to knowledge of how to go to the moon to knowledge of the circulation of the heart ?

People are only fooled about Genesis if they are rash enough to insist that it must be read as though it were written by people with the readers’ own knowledge of the natural world. It does not follow, that because we believe that Australia exists, the compilers of Genesis must have heard of boomerangs or seen “Crocodile Dundee”. And the Bible is not read for its geography or for its hydrology, or more than for its astrophysics or helminthology or its descriptions of orchids or avocado pears - it is not about helminthology, cookery, botany, car maintenance, Zen Buddhism, or motorcycles, any more than it’s about the World Series or the grammar of Old French. But if people insist on looking in it for things it could not possibly be about, they are going to miss what it does contain.

Instead of mucking it up by trying to read it as though it were a text on biology or geology or palaeo-anthropology or palaeo-linguistics or cloud formation or orogeny, people would do far better to compare the creation account with some of the creation legends from other peoples.

The damage done by Biblical Fundamentalism to the understanding of the Bible can hardly be exaggerated 😦

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As for 2 - why does God require people to be born in the first place ? Why not avoid birth-sin entirely, by creating every human being without parents and without their having to grow up ? Why not make every human being a saint from the word go ?

God may be eternal - but man is not. We take time to develop - and that applies as much to our understanding of God as to anything else. Why cannot it not apply to the creation of the whole universe ?
 
abcdefg said:
3) Genesis was written well before Jesus’ time. and there’s no doubt apostles believed in Creationism all their lives, Why Jesus, who is aware of what everyone is thinking, didn’t point out the mistake?
3a) for Orthodox Jews: Genesis is dictated to Moses by G_d. and Moses certainly interpreted as creationism. Why G_d didn’t point it out and allowed the error to continue?

There is no creationism here at all, in either case.​

Because creationism is what people have come up with as a reaction to a critical-historical-academic understanding of the Bible. What we call “creationism” today, is a reaction to another position. The name of the concept is a modern name for a very modern attitude - it’s only about a vcentury old; even though bits of the idea are far older.

But the Apostles were not reacting to any other position about the meaning of Genesis - they held whatever views on the matter they did, not as a reaction to another interpretation of the same texts, but because it was the traditional view of the text. People like Whitcomb & Morris talk about striation and orogeny - the Apostles had never heard of either of of those things; any more than they had heard of the 19th century scholars of Genesis.

Fundamentalist creationism as a view of the meaning of those texts is reactionary because other views have come along as competing intepretations. And, however much creationism may want to be traditional, it is a view held by people who, to some extent, share the scientific assumptions of the people they disagree with about Genesis. In that respect, Fundamentalists and modernisers differ from the Apostles: they did not reject “modern” views of Genesis, because they had not heard of these views, nor of the arguments for and against them - any more than we have heard of the arguments for or against colonising the planet Pleeb - (which, given long enough, may eventually come into existence 🙂 - then we can discuss it). And they had not heard of computers either, or of a thousand things Fundamentalists use which the modernisers also use, but the Apostles did not.

So Fundamentalists are trying to be modern and pre-modern at the same time: they want to have their computers, but they also want to live with the same mental assumptions about the meaning of Genesis as the Apostles. And to do that, they will have to forget a lot of their assumptions about the natural world, such as that the planets are influenced by gravity; or that disease is often caused by anything *except *demons.

A real rejecter of modern stuff would go back to the year 2000 - - - BC 🙂
 
vern humphrey:
I use science (including biology) to better understand the world around me.

By the way, what’s “maths?”

The proper name for what our American Cousins call “math” 😛

 
abcdefg said:
6) How to interpret Gen 5:5

Even if one interprets it not literally, it has to correspond to some real event. a life span of 930 years is far longer than that of apes and men we have ever known

Why accept that - and not:​

The Sumerian king list: c.2.1.1
After the kingship descended from heaven, the kingship was in Eridug. In Eridug, Alulim became king; he ruled for 28800 years. Alalĝar ruled for 36000 years. 2 kings; they ruled for 64800 years. Then Eridug fell and the kingship was taken to Bad-tibira. In Bad-tibira, En-men-lu-ana ruled for 43200 years. En-men-gal-ana ruled for 28800 years. Dumuzid, the shepherd, ruled for 36000 years. 3 kings; they ruled for 108000 years. Then Bad-tibira fell (?) and the kingship was taken to Larag. In Larag, En-sipad-zid-ana ruled for 28800 years. 1 king; he ruled for 28800 years. Then Larag fell (?) and the kingship was taken to Zimbir. In Zimbir, En-men-dur-ana became king; he ruled for 21000 years. 1 king; he ruled for 21000 years. Then Zimbir fell (?) and the kingship was taken to Šuruppag. In Šuruppag, Ubara-Tutu became king; he ruled for 18600 years. 1 king; he ruled for 18600 years. In 5 cities 8 kings; they ruled for 241200 years. Then the flood swept over.
  • for example 🙂 ?
The author of Genesis interested in chronology - it does not follow he is trying to give biographically exact dates. ##
 
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