If God exists; why would He be a personal God?

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Curious_Seed said:
I read the Bible.

If you knew me, you would know the Father; if you have seen me, you have seen the Father.🙂
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this may actually have been said by Jesus. but what does it mean beyond the superficial? And I asked for what you know, not believe, as in religious faith. Nowhere in the definitions available to me of religion is knowledge mentioned other than as self referential knowledge within the context of a particular faith. You may, for example, “know” your version of the Bible, but you believe, not know it to be true as you understand it.
 
Whadyamean said:
this may actually have been said by Jesus. but what does it mean beyond the superficial? And I asked for what you know, not believe, as in religious faith. Nowhere in the definitions available to me of religion is knowledge mentioned other than as self referential knowledge within the context of a particular faith. You may, for example, “know” your version of the Bible, but you believe, not know it to be true as you understand it.
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Jesus showed us who God is.

I believe Him. 🙂

And that is what I know.

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greylorn said:
Your “yes” is right-on. The idea of diving back into the bucket is a curious strategy, as is your style. Tickling a crab perched on the edge of the bucket, getting it to laugh and maybe fall back in, is a classier approach than grabbing and yanking. 🙂

Now, kindly tell me what you mean by the phrase, "* “Knowledge by Identity.”*
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The best known statement regarding it on here would be “I and my Father are (is) one.” Generally it refers to an understanding of one’s self arrived at by entering a state which “consists” of Identity and Being, but has no components of objects or duration.
 
greylorn said:
Only a third alternative? You’ve not been reading nearly enough Hindu and Buddhist theology or New Age religion, and clearly do not live in California.

Now can we have a little conversation about your “excellent experiential recommendation stemming from one Eastern philosophy?”
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Sure. It is the one recommended in a disguised form even by the Church: Self inquiry to exhaustion of mental ability to identify “I” with an object, including and especially “me.”
 
Whadyamean said:
OK, then for you there is no distinction between faith and knowledge??? What does that do to your rationality, if so?
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To know what you believe is not to blur the distinction between the two: they are not one and the same.

Your spouse tells you that he/she loves you: premise.

You believe him/her: faith/belief.

And you know that you believe him/her: knowledge.

Knowledge is evident experientially only, while faith is without such evidence.

Faith’s evidence is unseen, it is in the substance one hopes, with the belief.

God tells you that He loves you: premise.

You believe Him: faith/belief.

And you know that you believe Him: knowledge.

Do we have knowledge of God?

No.

We have belief in what God reveals to us.

We have knowledge of our beliefs. 🙂

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