If God is loving, merciful and almighty, why aren’t all people saved already?

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Why aren’t all people saved already? Almighty God can save them who died, who living, and the people to be born by under 0.01 second. Logically.

You would say that people have to be saved through the free will though. But why doesn’t loving God save people from the lake of fire?

You would save kittens if they’re drowning on the bathtub on your house, regardless of their free will. Or you will stop them if they’re trying to go to the road where cars running frequently.

Then why do you think that loving God doesn’t save people from lake of fire?

So why aren’t all people saved already?
 
Jesus already saved everybody. Salvation is a gift from God. The problem is that like any gift, the gift of salvation can be lost, squandered or rejected altogether. Sin separates us from God; those who refuse to repent, do not forgive, have hatred in their heart and reject God’s grace become prey to spiritual predators—spirits of the dark—demons, devils.like the angels who became devils, so to humans are either being sanctified or demonized. At death the state of the soul of the person who dies enters eternity either united to God or forever separated.

 
We are all gifted with free will and God totally respects His gift to us all. We are completely free to choose good and Heaven or evil and Hell.
 
Hi,
There is great satisfaction for a Creator, Kat for the Creation alone. If we were programmed robots, how satisfying would it be to have programmed beings approach you, repeatedly, confirming their love?
So, we aren’t robots but fine, detailed creatures that can think & function.
When we are told that there is a God, we learn the particulars. We must chose. It makes us different. Then, the joining in the family, is enjoyed. We must chose God & His Commandments. We’re differer
In Jesus name
Amen
 
Gab123 said:
Jesus already saved everybody.
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Actually that is not correct. Jesus died on the Cross to Redeem everyone and give everyone the opportunity for Salvation.
Redemption and Salvation are not the same thing, although many Protestants think they are.
 
Because loving God is not the same as actually living by his commandments. God does want us to love him as he loves us, but we also have to live by his word and treat others according to his word. Free will can be used for good, but it also can and has been used for very evil things.

There are greater expectations for us beyond just using our free will.
 
  1. God did already save everybody by sending his son Jesus to die on the cross for us. To the extent we are helpless like little drowning kittens and can’t save ourselves, God accomplishes that through Jesus’ sacrifice and mercy.
  2. However, we need to accept God and his gift of salvation, by doing a little work ourselves…living by God’s commandments, being faithful to God’s church, that sort of thing. if you tried to save a kitten who was drowning and the kitten, instead of grabbing onto your arm or letting itself be picked up, bit your hand very hard and threw itself back into the water, the kitten might very well drown. So do we when we reject God and throw ourselves back into the pit of sin.
We have free will and can choose whether to accept God and his gift or reject him. People who refuse to accept God’s gift of salvation can blame their own selves, not God.
 
Don’t worry, those who are in hell, or purgatory for that matter, were asked many times, even face to face by God, to believe and follow Him. If they are in hell, they refused, knowingly, willingly, and finally. Kittens and babies, even any vulnerable people, we save from what we know of death, of course we do. (Although there are some very selfish people who – actually-- would not do so, in fact who throw those creatures into the water, or leave people purposefully to die unaided. You tell me, why do they do these things and how can God make them be different than how they’ve chosen to be?
 
God doesn’t force himself on anyone. That’s not love.
It’s really simple, but it takes a docile heart and a sense of human responsibility to accept it.
 
These types of threads always bug me because they imply that God should just do everything for us and we shouldn’t need to do any work at all, just sit there and God’s supposed to fix everything for us like he is our servant instead of the other way around. It reflects such a sense of entitlement, to me.
 
thistle said:
Actually that is not correct. Jesus died on the Cross to Redeem everyone and give everyone the opportunity for Salvation.
Redemption and Salvation are not the same thing, although many Protestants think they are.
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Yes. Again, Jesus is the savior of the world. Salvation is a gift that can be lost by rejecting God’s grace. All the righteous people in the Old Testament that died long before Jesus came into the world were saved by Jesus.
 
Effort. We are required effort of our own. God was pleased with Israel, his saint, whose name means Effort for God.
We are made in His image so Him saving us can never be above we joining Him in saving us.
 
Needy1 said:
Why aren’t all people saved already? Almighty God can save them who died, who living, and the people to be born by under 0.01 second. Logically.

You would say that people have to be saved through the free will though. But why doesn’t loving God save people from the lake of fire?

You would save kittens if they’re drowning on the bathtub on your house, regardless of their free will. Or you will stop them if they’re trying to go to the road where cars running frequently.

Then why do you think that loving God doesn’t save people from lake of fire?

So why aren’t all people saved already?
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Those who are predestined to heaven (solely by God’s decision, John 15:16; You did not choose me but I chose you. etc.) their salvation is absolutely sure from all eternity.

Even of those who are not yet born and predestined to heaven, their salvation and their entrance to heaven is absolutely sure, because eternal life in heaven is God’s IRREVOCABLE gift.
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Furthermore, NO ONE rejected/ rejects in all Christian history God’s gift of efficacious grace of His invitation to heaven and this is an IRREVOCABLE gift of God. - EVERYONE receives it by free will.

As there is NO ONE can enter to heaven without predestined to heaven, it is God’s DUTY OF CARE to predestine EVERYONE to heaven from all eternity. – Plain and simple, there is no ifs or buts.
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God bless
 
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Needy1 said:
You would save kittens if they’re drowning on the bathtub on your house, regardless of their free will. Or you will stop them if they’re trying to go to the road where cars running frequently.

Then why do you think that loving God doesn’t save people from lake of fire?
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Because you wouldn’t be you if He did. Like the Caterpillar who is helped out of his cocoon, his wings aren’t developed, he can’t fly & dies.

You are the net sum of all the decisions you’ve made up to this moment. Change one of them & you’re a different person altogether. Which makes you unique. Special. Ain’t nobody like you. & that’s the guy God is looking for. Not the yes man that does & says everything God “wants” to hear.
 
Because people have free will on to either accept God’s free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ or to reject God’s free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ.
 
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Because people have free will on to either accept God’s free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ or to reject God’s free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ.
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So God doesn’t do anything but observe and watch them who feeling pain in the hell by punishments? Even those people are crying and asking help to anyone who can help them?
 
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Needy1 said:
Why aren’t all people saved already? Almighty God can save them who died, who living, and the people to be born by under 0.01 second. Logically.

You would say that people have to be saved through the free will though. But why doesn’t loving God save people from the lake of fire?
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Because people didn’t want to ,i met few people who actually said they want to go to hell and that they enjoy and comfortable sinning.
Needy1 said:
You would save kittens if they’re drowning on the bathtub on your house, regardless of their free will. Or you will stop them if they’re trying to go to the road where cars running frequently.

Then why do you think that loving God doesn’t save people from lake of fire?

So why aren’t all people saved already?
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sin has consequences like for example if your crossing the red signal ,your fined /billed ,and you could be the cause of accident to others.your cant find fault if a cat falls into a bathtub after knowing what its is, right .if one is reckless in driving can we blame the poor cops ! do we?

Sirach 15:11 Do not say, “It was the Lord’s doing that I fell away”;for he does not do what he hates.12 Do not say, “It was he who led me astray”;for he has no need of the sinful13 The Lord hates all abominations;such things are not loved by those who fear him.14 It was he who created humankind in the beginning,and he left them in the power of their own free choice.15 If you choose, you can keep the commandments,and to act faithfully is a matter of your own choice.16 He has placed before you fire and water;stretch out your hand for whichever you choose.17 Before each person are life and death,and whichever one chooses will be given.18 For great is the wisdom of the Lord;he is mighty in power and sees everything;19 his eyes are on those who fear him,and he knows every human action.20 He has not commanded anyone to be wicked,and he has not given anyone permission to sin.
 
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So God doesn’t do anything but observe and watch them who feeling pain in the hell by punishments? Even those people are crying and asking help to anyone who can help them?
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I do wonder though if the souls in hell do want to be helped. In Jesus’ parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man in hell saw Lazarus resting in Abraham’s bosom in heaven. He asked: ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am in agony in these flames’ (Luke 16:24). Isn’t it strange that instead of asking to be taken out of hell, he wanted Lazarus to go to where he is and thus suffer with him while relieving his thirst?

Those in hell are already twisted beyond help.
 
Needy1 said:
So God doesn’t do anything but observe and watch them who feeling pain in the hell by punishments?
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The Church teaches that the primary punishment of hell is separation from God. Which is what the condemned asked for (either explicitly, or implicitly through their actions).
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Even those people are crying and asking help to anyone who can help them?
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Are they, though? C.S. Lewis, in his book The Great Divorce, portrays the damned as being so self-absorbed that they don’t even notice where they are or who’s around them.
 
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