If God is perfect

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If God is perfect, why did he create us?
He knew what would happen, so why did he do it? Was it a mistake? but God doesn’t make mistakes, because he’s perfect. So did he want all this to happen? All the evil in the world?

So If God is perfect, why did he create us?

Someone asked me this recently and I didn’t quite know how to reply…
If someone could help that’d be great.
 
If God is perfect, why did he create us?
He knew what would happen, so why did he do it? Was it a mistake? but God doesn’t make mistakes, because he’s perfect. So did he want all this to happen? All the evil in the world?

So If God is perfect, why did he create us?

Someone asked me this recently and I didn’t quite know how to reply…
If someone could help that’d be great.
 
If God is perfect, why did he create us?
He knew what would happen, so why did he do it? Was it a mistake? but God doesn’t make mistakes, because he’s perfect. So did he want all this to happen? All the evil in the world?

So If God is perfect, why did he create us?

Someone asked me this recently and I didn’t quite know how to reply…
If someone could help that’d be great.
 
All seems disordered now but in Heaven He will wipe the tears from every eye, and right every injustice and wrong, and all will be perfect.

And in a sense it already is.
 
I think the question implies that the questioner knows what it means to be perfect, but God doesn’t.

Why do we give ourselves room to assume that perfection lies in lining things up in straight little rows, never having a conflict or an untidy moment, never feeling a strong feeling or having to correct anything, never being in a position where anyone can accuse us of anything, never needing to widen the viewpoint in order to see the big picture. Perfection doesn’t mean that every piece of a collage has to make sense, even if it is divorced from the whole.

Perfection lies in unmitigated love. Maybe it is impossible, then, to be truly perfect until one is free to let go of being a control freak and with being overly concerned with pleasing them, if it is more loving to do otherwise.

Why did God make you? Because from the foundation of the world, God has loved you, and, having loved you, He would let nothing stop you from coming into being.
 
We won’t know until we ask Him…

But I think that it’s because God is Love, and was lonely. Think of our emotion when we feel desperately lonely… Imagine God’s. If He were to make one trillion men, and all turned away from Him, just one coming back and reciprocating that love would make everything worthwhile for God.

So all we need to do is love Him back:heaven: and listen to what He tells us, and give Him glory… Just by creating us, in this foul world full of sin, just goes to show us His love, and high expectations for us!🙂
 
ljubim said:
We won’t know until we ask Him…

But I think that it’s because God is Love, and was lonely. Think of our emotion when we feel desperately lonely… Imagine God’s. If He were to make one trillion men, and all turned away from Him, just one coming back and reciprocating that love would make everything worthwhile for God.

So all we need to do is love Him back:heaven: and listen to what He tells us, and give Him glory… Just by creating us, in this foul world full of sin, just goes to show us His love, and high expectations for us!🙂
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God being perfect and all powerful and lonely at the same time is a contradiction.

Yes, all hail the lonely one. :rolleyes:
 
We have only limited understanding, reason, love, etc.

God is limitless in understanding, reason, love, etc.

So just because our limited and fallible understanding finds an argument that humanity, being ‘limited and fallible’ would err, it would only make sense to argue that our creation was a ‘mistake’ if we are arguing that God would only create the ‘perfect’ and that perfection consists in never making an error.

But what if God knew that perfection was something that, for humanity, needed to have many abortive attempts and trials to achieve? What if we’re only seeing a small ‘stage’ in God’s plan in which things look like they’re going all wrong, and then a bit further on, outside our vision, suddenly things ‘coalesce’ and start to go all ‘right?’

In order to make porcelain, you have to heat the clay. If you don’t, you get something that ‘looks’ good, but will shatter with use. If you do–if you run the risk in putting your clay into a fiery furnace–you’ll get something that will be useful and lasting.
 
Love makes you do crazy things.
He wanted something to partake in the perfect love between God the Father and God the Son.
 
God was not bored or lonely. Those feelings are the results of a lack of something, and there is no lack in God.

God created us to share His love. Plain and simple. We’re the ones who messed it up, but He still loves us and draws us to Him through the grace of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit.
 
I think perfect is a word NOT appled enough to God.

It’s always "All powerful, Almighty"

I find it odd that, at least as far as I know that the word perfect is only said in refence To God once
in the New Testament.

I think it’s a sign of humility on God’s part.

Perfect humility?

I know this is a little off topic. But the question of "what does perfection really imply?’ comes up in my mind.

Perfect love.

Perfect humilty.

Perfect reason. -I never here that .

Perfect justice.

Perfect understanding.

Perfect knowledge.

When I think of this it brings to light all my faults and imperfections. I think that might be the reason He’s not spoken of in this vein.

I think we take human characteristics and impress them upon we think the supernatural is and we take what we think are supernatural characteristics and Impress them on human traits.

It’s like what we see in certain politicians. I don’t know if this is a good thing.
 
Maybe God created us because He is extremely generous and wanted to share His happiness.

Hopefully we can ask Him one day (not soon enough!).
 
ljubim said:
Well, not anymore, obviously:rolleyes:
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You aren’t the sharpest knife in the drawer are you?

God was always perfect, he was never lonely, so to imply he was perfect and lonely, and hence he created us and is not lonely is against reason. Like someone earlier said, loneliness is due to a lack of something.

Get it now? :rolleyes:
 
GloriusMaximus said:
You aren’t the sharpest knife in the drawer are you?

God was always perfect, he was never lonely, so to imply he was perfect and lonely, and hence he created us and is not lonely is against reason. Like someone earlier said, loneliness is due to a lack of something.

Get it now? :rolleyes:
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Ok, I admit I was being a bit snarky with that response, I tend to do that:D

I’ve got it that lonely means lacking something… maybe longing is a better word? I mean lonely more in the sense of wanting some company, wanting to share everything He has with us, not crying in the corner. I’m not trying to demean God, just show my understanding of His love, with my lack of the correct word.

Gotta continue the tradition… :rolleyes:
 
That’s not a dumb question to ask.

Being lonely is not a sign of imperfection IMO.

At the very least it is not a sin.
 
The easy answer: God IS love. And love is something to be shared.

The business about evil coming into the world has to do with God giving us free will. If God saw that we might sometimes choose evil, he could have done three things:
  • Not create us (but then the love that God IS would not be shared)
  • Create us without free will (but then we would be robots, and incapable of true love)
  • Create us with free will, and send His son to get us back on track
Guess which option He chose?
 
surritter said:
The easy answer: God IS love. And love is something to be shared.

The business about evil coming into the world has to do with God giving us free will. If God saw that we might sometimes choose evil, he could have done three things:
  • Not create us (but then the love that God IS would not be shared)
  • Create us without free will (but then we would be robots, and incapable of true love)
  • Create us with free will, and send His son to get us back on track
Guess which option He chose?
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Your analysis is incorrect.

First, love is not some wishy-washy emotion, that can be shared. Love is an act in the best interest of the loved ones.
Second, free will does not logically lead to evil, only the potentiality of evil.
Third, only robots can have true love, who always act in the best interest of the loved ones (again, love is not an emotion).
Fourth, the “chosen path” did not work. The evil did not decrease.
Fifth, since the existence of free will does not lead logically to evil, you forgot the option of creating everyone with free will, where no one will choose evil on their own volition. This one is possible, though still inferior to option #3, since free agents may choose evil, while robots cannot.

According to Catholics, the ultimate desire of God is to have everyone be with him, to share the bliss only he can provide - which is of course in our best interest. Therefore the only logical solution would have been to create us directly in heaven. That would have been the perfect solution.

To create us with free will is dumb. If free will would lead logically to evil (thought it does not) then giving free will is the best way to destroy the ultimate goal of God - thereby you say that God is an idiot. Why do you believers always portray God as a bumbling idiot, who knows what is the best for everyone, who could achieve that, and still did not do it? Your analysis is always disrespectful to the extreme. Why?
 
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