IF I became a nun, what am I expected?

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Paris Blues:
The only talent I have is the gift of art (illustration). What can I do with that?
Sister,

Mother Teresa said it best when she said, “Nothing is small with God, when we offer it to Him, it becomes infinite.”

You possess unique beautiful talents, both known and unknown, given by God for HIS glorious plan. If you feel like your gifts are nothing more than a few loaves and fishes, just remember what Jesus did with that.

Totus Tuus,
brian
 
Paris Blues:
The only talent I have is the gift of art (illustration). What can I do with that?
I have a friend who became a nun here:

sistersoflife.org/

As a matter of fact, this is her up in the corner:

sistersoflife.org/vm.htm

She was a graphics design artist. What did she do with her gift of art? The order was founder by Cardinal O’Connor. If I recall this correctly, my friend (now Sister Elizabeth Anne) designed the cardinal’s coat of arms. Read about it at the bottom of the page here:

ny-archdiocese.org/cardinal/

That’s one thing to do with a gift of art.
 
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RonWI:
I have a friend who became a nun here:

sistersoflife.org/

As a matter of fact, this is her up in the corner:

sistersoflife.org/vm.htm

She was a graphics design artist. What did she do with her gift of art? The order was founder by Cardinal O’Connor. If I recall this correctly, my friend (now Sister Elizabeth Anne) designed the cardinal’s coat of arms. Read about it at the bottom of the page here:

ny-archdiocese.org/cardinal/

That’s one thing to do with a gift of art.
Hey that’s cool! That’s my degree in college! Graphic Design & Illustration!!!
👍
 
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jp2fan:
I’d like to see a citation for this study. It sounds like it was done by a non-Catholic, in order to slander the rule of celibacy. I think it is awfully pessimistic to say things like “so few nuns live up to their vow of celibacy.” I know plenty who do. Perhaps the statistic to which you refer has to do with sexual activity before taking vows. Even then, I find it a bit high. Can you back it up please?
I found lots of startling info about Catholic clergy sexuality in an article on Robert Sungenis’ (CAI - Catholic Apologetics International)website. The stats between studies vary greatly and many studies were shut down once preliminary results showed how bad things were (and the Church didn’t want official results getting publicity).

catholicintl.com/epologetics/articles/pastoral/homosexual-priests1.htm

One can argue how valid certain stats are, but the plain truth appears to be that we have a major problem with sexuality in our clergy.

David
 
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RonWI:
Does that hold true for priests as well: only men who have “no interest whatsoever” in women should enroll in the seminary?

I respectfully submit that that attitude is precisely what the CC does not need at this time in history.
I get your drift and agree. Homosexuality is the biggest of the problems among the priesthood today and according to the Sungenis article I referenced, likely impact a full 1/3 of all bishops and as many or more priests.

My statement was referring to asexual people, those with no inclination or desire, what Jesus called eunuchs.

David
 
I don’t think it’s fair to call eunuchs asexual. Ask any sister out there, the holy ones, the ones living their celibacy, whether they became a nun because they weren’t attracted to men. I mean it, I think you should try that. Let me know what they say. Also, I looked on the link, and I saw LOTS of stuff on gay priests, very little on sexually active religious, and nothing that says 75% are sexually active.
 
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jp2fan:
I respectfully disagree. People do not become sisters because they don’t like men, they do it because they love God more. In marriage, does a spouse get married when they have no interest whatsoever in anyone else? Attractions are natural- we were made to love the opposite sex. There is no formula for knowing your vocation, you just have to let God tell you.
I agree on this point and I can tell you that any order will talk to prospective candidates about their feelings on the opposite sex and dating. They often ask if you have dated.

Some will use religious life to escape awkward feelings they may have about the opposite sex and inability to get close to them. This is not a good thing and often ends up disastrous as it is a “false-call”. No doubt that some in this position will be successful and lead holy lives, but the vast majority are likely to fall away at some point, which is why orders discuss it. I know - been there, done that.
 
Paris Blues:
Also, how do I know which kind to be? Poor clare, carmelite, etc? What’s the difference and what do they do?
Do you mind me asking your age? Or at least if you are a minor, or an adult?

There are many ways to distinguish orders and it is probably and endless list, but lets take some heavy hitters.

There are orders that are cloistered and orders that are not. Those that are cloistered have religious who live a life of silence. Now, each order may have varying degrees of silence. What is the importance of silence in such an order? Read this from a non-cloistered community that observes silence as much as it can. It’s lengthy, but try to understand the concept and then you can ponder if such an order is for you. Even lay catholics should strive for exterior and interior silence even if only for 15 minutes daily.

opusangelorum.org/English/Silence/Silence.html

Order who practice silence are often “contemplative” in their prayers, using a type of prayer called “mental prayer”. They study and follow the works of the great mystics of the church like St. Teresa and St. John of the Cross. An example is the Carmelites.

Lets shift to another area - habits. There are those that are more traditional in that they wear habits. I was in a Franciscan Order (left in novitiate due to illness) and they wore long habits. We did not have to shop for a job, rather it was handed to us by our superiors. It could have been a parish job, working in the kitchen,etc (and I’ll touch more on this in “obedience”. The habit goes to simplicity, humility, and in some cases a matter of making life inconvenient in cases where a habit could be uncomfortable. Why? Jesus was simple and humble and he lived a life of suffering. There are other sisters who wear no habits. Often times these sisters are “on their own” in finding work within a parish. I’ve known many of these and they literally have to find their own work. This is likely not true of all sisters without habits.

Obedience is a topic of interest to me and one I studied and prayed about intensely as I was in formation within that Franciscan community. St. Francis was very clear on obedience and is seen as a tool of the Holy Spirit. There are many accounts of it, such as those related to St. Faustina, for example, who was told by Jesus that when it came down to a conflict between what he told her and what her superior told her to do, she was to follow her superior. He would later put her to the test and she followed the orders of her superior. Ditto with Padre Pio when he was told not to say mass publicly or hear confessions for a time. He complied. These things are often a test of authenticity for sainthood or in confirming the validity of certain things. As a sister-to-be, I knew that when my assignment came, it would not necessarily be the path that I wanted. For example, I wanted to learn theology, but my superiors may have put me in the kitchen for the rest of my life or for a time. An act of obedience is an act of humility and anyone who takes a vow of obedience must be prepared to do things they do not want to do. A submission of one’s will over the will of the Lord with an understanding that He may test our resolve to live for him, and him alone. Sometimes the best way to test our resolve is to submit happily and without a grudge.

Obedience is not just an act of submission. It is the free choice to submit one’s will. The Lord appreciates Obedience out of fear or compliance, but he appreciates so much more when we make it a free choice to humble ourselves and accept what is before us.

I will let you read more from the previous site on Obedience because this article does an outstanding job. This applies not only to religious who take vows, but it is something every Catholic should be mindful of. One cannot profess trust in the Holy Spirit without acting out of trust to the Papacy and the Magisterium and it is not limited to ex cathedra statements as you’ll read here.

opusangelorum.org/English/Obedience.html

If you hit the “HOME” button of the above link, you will find a wealth of spiritual information. It is coming from Opus Sanctorum Angelorum - The Work of the Holy Angels, which is associated to the Order of Canons Regular of the Holy Cross (ORC). This particular order of the Holy Cross is a silent, contemplative, but not cloistered community and their website is a goldmine of spiritual advice. You will find more under the Circulars for Laity and others in that site.

Here’s something else you may want to view.

cin.org/vocation.html

I’ll post more later if you have more questions.
 
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piety101:
no boyfriends, which means no sex for life. Not to cool.
For those called to religious life, one’s heart goes to the Lord and in time, and with self-discipline, it is not the problem people make it out to be. I know from personal experience 😉

Also, one should never get into a relationship for just the sex. Sex should be a resultant of wanting to form a union in a manner that is a gift from God, and to produce children.

This is a very deep sacrifice on the part of priests and religious and one of the reasons I have such deep respect for them. They make such a sacrifice, in order to serve us. And for anyone out there thinking that priests and nuns are just sleeping around or playing with themselves, I can assure you, the vast majority work at the self-control issue quite well and have learned the secrets. One of those is to not put oneself in a situation to be tempted.

When in the convent for two years, studying for the novitiate, I can tell you that it never crossed my mind. Why? No stimulus when your day is filled with prayer, spiritual reading, work and no TV with viagara and cialis commericials or Desperate Housewives or other filth. I apply that same set of disciplines today, as a single person out of respect for God.

This is not to say there isn’t a priest or nun out there who is not being true to their vows. There are sinners among the clergy and religious sure enough and even they may fall here and there, but for the most part, these people make a huge sacrifice in the name of God. As the former Cardinal Ratzinger said in his interview with Raymond Arroyo when addressing sex abuse scandals (paraphrased), some of these are people who have not given themselves entirely to God.

This is why prayer and devotion is so important because without them, there are fewer graces to get through the challenges related to it.

It is one of the many crosses religious and priests bear in doing the Lord’s work.

Diane
 
I feel a nun or a priest should be allowed to marry. Mandatory celibacy for priests and nuns for life goes against human nature.
 
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piety101:
I feel a nun or a priest should be allowed to marry. Mandatory celibacy for priests and nuns for life goes against human nature.
Married priests do exist in the Catholic Church, especially in the Eastern rites. However, the majority of Catholic priests are celibate and choose this commitment for themselves. It is symbolic of Christ’s marriage to the Church. The Catholic priesthood is a huge commitment and IMO does not leave time for the concerns of family life. Also, those who call for the married priesthood should be willing to give more of their income to the Church, because that is what it will take in order to support the families of these priest who would be married.

As for married nuns (or sisters, monks, brothers), this is in itself a contradiction. The religious life is a consecration of the free choosing of these people, who choose to give themselves completely to God. The vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience that are central to this vocation do not allow for one to be married and raise a family. There is so much freedom in these vows – freedom from the “cares of the world” as St. Paul explained that married people will face, or “many troubles in this life” (1 Corinthians 7). This freedom allows full and complete devotion and service to God and His work.

“Married nuns” and other religious do already exist anyway, so it is ridiculous to call for the celibate ones to be allowed to marry. Those who wish to marry and still be involved in religious life can join third orders, which are often attached to communities of second orders of religious. Third orders are also known as “secular” or “lay” orders. Any layperson may belong to one, and pray or work in the ministry of that particular community.
 
Hello DavidB, I have a few comments on what you wrote.
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DavidB:
upwards of 75**%** (3 out of every 4) of Catholic clergy are or have been sexually active.
There are several problems with this statistic and your use of it in this situation.
  1. It is worded in such a way as to include those who were sexually active before ordination and/or repentance, conversion, etc.
  2. Some priests are married so naturally would be sexually active. Others are widowed or divorced/annulled and pursued the priesthood after this.
  3. “Clergy” does not even include nuns, monks, sisters, or brothers, but only those ordained. It may even include deacons (I’m not sure), the vast majority of which are married.
  4. You cite no source for this statistic, and I looked over the entire site of the link you provided in another post, and it said nothing of this number.
  5. The site is hosted by a traditionalist organization that attempts to prove that things are worse post-Vatican 2 than they were before it, so it’s not really internal Catholic research “admitting” anything so much as someone with an agenda against the Catholic Church.
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DavidB:
My point for Paris is that given the fact that so few nuns are able to live within their celibacy vows, she should make absolutely sure before making them.
Your statement is simply not true. The (unsupported and deceptive) statistic that you provided does not even include religious but only “clergy”. I know that you probably did not intend to use this deceptively, but the statistic itself is worded in such a way so as to deceive. The vast majority of nuns do live with their celibacy vows. There will always be a few bad apples in the crowd. Jesus chose Judas to show this.

I agree that one should consider all options and discern carefully. However religious are not “asexual”, having no desires in this regard. It is simply that they desire God MORE. Religious will still face temptations, just like married people may be tempted by those other than their spouse. These temptations do not mean that they married the wrong person, but simply that these are things that must be overcome to remain faithful to one’s vows.

My desire to serve God in religious life is very strong, and (if/when I take my vows), the vows of celibacy will be possible to live by God’s grace. It is a sacrifice that is made for the sake of the Kingdom. St. Paul says that married people “will face many troubles in this life” and that “their interests are divided” (1 Cor. 7), but celibate persons are completely free from the distractions of married life so that they may work for the kingdom of heaven. Certainly married people do this also, but not in the same way. God has a different callings for us depending on the person.

God bless,
Lily628
 
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piety101:
I feel a nun or a priest should be allowed to marry. Mandatory celibacy for priests and nuns for life goes against human nature.
This is a statement many make and one that does not comprehend the role of God and Catholic Church in the life of a religious. The Lord becomes spouse and it is a relationship that must be worked on and nurtured like any marital relationship. This means good times and rough times. Times of joy and times of hardship.

It is much more difficult to give of yourself entirely to God when you must share that love with anyone else in the context of marriage. God gives a gift to married people to share their love for each other, with God and they must commit to each other. A religious must commit to God and that is where the time is directed.

Those who feel the call often know the feel of being attracted to another member of the opposite sex, yet feeling pulled strongly towards God in a way that makes it easy to gravitate towards the divine and away from the earthly. This is my experience and the reason I am not married today, despite illness taking me away from my community. I now seek status within the T.O. Carmelites to more fully commit myself to God as a lay person. Marriage may or may not be in my future, but I just don’t see it at this time. I have so much to do that cannot be done if I am committed to spouse and family. I choose to give it to God.
 
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