If I have a pet in a Condo that has a no pet rule is that mortal or venial sin?

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davidv said:
Then you sight is not in aligmnent with the Church teaching. Disobedience of lawful rules is a sin.
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But laws are necessarily based upon morality.
Why do you think it is an arbitrary rule?
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I just seems like it is petty rule to restrict what people can do with their lives. The same goes for things like smoking-bans.
 
Young_Thinker said:
I would not see it as a sin. You are merely violating an arbitrary rule. I would not give up something that I love just to please another person. I would do whatever I could get away with. .
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Well that’s fine if it’s your own place and you are not renting from someone else who actually owns the place. Those rules may seem abritrary but that is not the point.

If it’s not yours, you don’t get to make the rules.
 
Young_Thinker said:
I would not see it as a sin. You are merely violating an arbitrary rule. I would not give up something that I love just to please another person. I would do whatever I could get away with. I know that may sound a little ironic since I am discerning with the Jesuits(who emphasize obedience), but I think that you understand what I am saying.
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Nope, sorry, I don’t understand what you are saying. You sign a contract, explicitly stating the rules that you are to abide by as the renter of an apartment, and you would go back on your word if you could get away with anything?? Its not only a matter of legally agreeing to the contract, but shouldn’t your integrity mean just as much if not more? Nobody is forcing you to live some place that has rules that you don’t necessarily agree with, but if you choose to live some place, sign the contract, you agree to the terms of the arrangement. You don’t like the rules of restriction of pets, find some place else that allows pets. Do you promise God that you will abide by His rules, and then do anything you can to get away with the rules that you don’t necessarily agree with?
 
Miriam1947 said:
Well that’s fine if it’s your own place and you are not renting from someone else who actually owns the place. Those rules may seem abritrary but that is not the point.

If it’s not yours, you don’t get to make the rules.
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But there are cases where you cannot own your own home or chose where you live. There is no reason why you should have to give up a part of your family.
 
PatriceA said:
Nope, sorry, I don’t understand what you are saying. You sign a contract, explicitly stating the rules that you are to abide by as the renter of an apartment, and you would go back on your word if you could get away with anything?? Its not only a matter of legally agreeing to the contract, but shouldn’t your integrity mean just as much if not more? Nobody is forcing you to live some place that has rules that you don’t necessarily agree with, but if you choose to live some place, sign the contract, you agree to the terms of the arrangement. You don’t like the rules of restriction of pets, find some place else that allows pets. Do you promise God that you will abide by His rules, and then do anything you can to get away with the rules that you don’t necessarily agree with?
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Again, this need not have anything to do with morality. Not every law or rule is just. As I have also said, you cannot always chose where you live, and pets are a part of your family. Would you give your child away just because someone told you that you cannot live in your home.
 
Young_Thinker said:
But there are cases where you cannot own your own home or chose where you live. There is no reason why you should have to give up a part of your family.
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Well… I guess this means that your nickname is fitting… is that what you’re trying to tell us? :confused:
 
Apryl said:
Well… I guess this means that your nickname is fitting… is that what you’re trying to tell us? :confused:
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I am sorry that you are confused. Are you making a reference to religious life? If not, could you please explain what you mean?
 
Lying is a sin.

If I moved to a condo with a no pet rule, it would be because I am unable to be around cats. When I am around cats for a short period of time, my eyes swell shut and my throat begins to close. I am very allergic to them. If the condo is on an open ventilation system, your pet would cause me a lot of harm. Why do you think it should be acceptable to break the rules? If you have to keep the cat and move to that place, you should be a responsible adult and tell the landlord before you sign the lease. It would be better to be not allowed to move there than to get kicked out a month later after someone discovers your pet.
 
Young_Thinker said:
But laws are necessarily based upon morality.I just seems like it is petty rule to restrict what people can do with their lives. The same goes for things like smoking-bans.
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Let’s consider smoking bans then. They are intended to eliminate the health risks of passive smoking. That is, to restrict the negative effects of the actions of an individual (the smoker) on innocent bystanders (non-smokers in that same environment). Nothing petty about it.

No-pet rules have similar intentions: to restrict negative effects of pets (noise, smells, allergies, fleas) on neighbours (and perhaps subsequent tennants). They are neither petty nor arbitrary. theresepray4us may have the best behaved cat in the world, but all pets smell far more than their owners realise (because the owner habituates to the smells), and as others have pointed out people can have severe allergies and should not be exposed to such because their neighbors are breaking rules to which they agreed to adhere.

Moreover, since this is a rental situation, the owner may have increased costs in cleaning the condo later, so it’s not just immediate neighbours that are affected by theresepray4us’s disregard for the rules.

theresepray4us, by all means go to confession, but only if you intend to be honest. Tell your priest that you think you may have sinned so wish to confess, but that you do not intend to change your behaviour. That should prove interesting…
 
theresepray4us said:
I am moving into a new condo that I will be renting at the end of this month. They have a no pet rule and our daughter has a small cat that is very well behaved. I know the cat won’t do any damage, but I still feel terrible about breaking the rules. Is this a mortal or venial type sin?
Thanks!
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What if unknowingly you kill the next renter who lives there after your daughter?
I nearly died from pet allergies after moving into an apartment that had snuck cats into. You can’t see it or smell it, but you could go into anaphylactic shock if you have severe allergic reactions.

Would it be mortal or venial, since you didn’t really care at the time you commited it?
 
Young_Thinker said:
I would not see it as a sin. You are merely violating an arbitrary rule. I would not give up something that I love just to please another person. I would do whatever I could get away with. I know that may sound a little ironic since I am discerning with the Jesuits(who emphasize obedience), but I think that you understand what I am saying.
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Sounds completely opposite what Jesus taught.
 
Catholic90 said:
Question authority.

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[BIBLEDRB]Romans 13:1[/BIBLEDRB]

The authority that our landlords have over us is placed there by God.
Find another place to live and know that you are in God’s will.
God is not going to lead you to sin.

[BIBLEDRB]James 1:13-15[/BIBLEDRB]
 
graceandglory said:
Sounds completely opposite what Jesus taught.
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Yes, Christ taught about meekness and service. None of us are perfect, though, and unreasonable demands can be placed upon people by others. We also let emotions get it in our way; we are only human. Really, it all depends upon the situation.
 
Miriam1947 said:
Life isn’t fair. Eventually we all learn that.
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But this isn’t about something being unfair. :rolleyes:

It’s about some ONE being unfair. A person commits to an agreement, and then reneges on the deal.

If you want to live somewhere, and they want to rent to you, fine. If you want to live somewhere and there is a reason they wouldn’t want to rent to you and you know this but you deny such an impediment exists just so that you can rent there, you’re the one being unfair. :mad:

Now, if they were renting to you, and then came to you and said, ‘OH, by the way, you can’t have your cat here’, that would be unfair and I could even go along with the deception to keep the cat. Barring that, move somewhere that the cat is welcome, or move without the cat! 👍
 
theresepray4us said:
I am moving into a new condo that I will be renting at the end of this month. They have a no pet rule and our daughter has a small cat that is very well behaved. I know the cat won’t do any damage, but I still feel terrible about breaking the rules. Is this a mortal or venial type sin?

Thanks!
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It is very interesting you are primarily concerned with this issue being a factor in your afterlife, and not in your now life.
Are you trying to build a case against the Condo Association with the argument that your cat is protected from the bylaws because you are a Catholic and as such should be exempt based on… something like fuzzy thoughts?
Who forced you to sign on the dotted line to agree you would not have pets?
 
Young_Thinker said:
I am sorry that you are confused. Are you making a reference to religious life? If not, could you please explain what you mean?
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I’m not confused… 😉

"(1Cr 13:11) When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. "

YOUNG Thinker

I’m just saying… you put it out there… I couldn’t help but notice. Do you disagree? 😃
 
Apryl said:
But this isn’t about something being unfair. :rolleyes:

It’s about some ONE being unfair. A person commits to an agreement, and then reneges on the deal.

If you want to live somewhere, and they want to rent to you, fine. If you want to live somewhere and there is a reason they wouldn’t want to rent to you and you know this but you deny such an impediment exists just so that you can rent there, you’re the one being unfair. :mad:

Now, if they were renting to you, and then came to you and said, ‘OH, by the way, you can’t have your cat here’, that would be unfair and I could even go along with the deception to keep the cat. Barring that, move somewhere that the cat is welcome, or move without the cat! 👍
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I hate to break the bad news to you here, but I must step in after reading this.
She/He does not ask us if she/he is breaking a contract. She/He is only worried if she/he is getting her/his God angry with her/him by her or his alleged inability to fulfill his or her contract.

Out of curiosity, what reasons would a believer have to not honor the contract they signed based on the teachings of Jesus in this case?
 
StrawberryJam, aren’t you and Apryl in agreement on this topic? Have I missed something? :confused:

I think you, Apryl, and the overwhelming majority in this thread think that the cat-owning condo-board-deceiver is in the wrong here. 😉
 
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