If I use the older Divine Offices will it still be the public prayer of the church?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Loyal_J
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
L

Loyal_J

Guest
If I use the older Divine Offices (pre Trident Monastic, Trident 1910, Divino Afflatu, Reduced Afflatu, Rubrics 1960, or 1960 Newcalendar) will it still be the public prayer of the church?
divinumofficium.com/cgi-bin/horas/officium.pl has choices online for these older versions. F.Y.I. I don’t know how to pray the divine office and am new at this.

I think God likes the public prayer of the church more than private prayer so I hope the older one(s) are okay. Please tell me the percentage you think you are correct on this. Thanks.
 
If I use the older Divine Offices (pre Trident Monastic, Trident 1910, Divino Afflatu, Reduced Afflatu, Rubrics 1960, or 1960 Newcalendar) will it still be the public prayer of the church?
divinumofficium.com/cgi-bin/horas/officium.pl has choices online for these older versions. F.Y.I. I don’t know how to pray the divine office and am new at this.

I think God likes the public prayer of the church more than private prayer so I hope the older one(s) are okay. Please tell me the percentage you think you are correct on this. Thanks.
My gut tells me No, you won’t. You can participate in the public prayer of the Church only when using the approved forms, which is the 1961 Roman Breviary (by virtue of Summorum Pontificum) or the Liturgy of the Hours (which is the Ordinary Form of the Roman Breviary and is therefore always approved). You may also be able to use one of the approved monastic versions.

The basis for my answer of “No” is Pope Pius X’s bull Divino Afflatu which explicitly declared that the use of any previous form to his own promulgated version no longer satisfied the obligation of those bound and forbade the all previous versions. This was in 1910 and was a major reform of the Breviary from its Tridentine form. Later declarations simplified the rubrics in 1955 and 1960, rendering previous rubrics also inoperative.

While one can argue that laity are not bound, yadda yadda, I feel that the declarations of the Popes determine what constitutes a valid form of the Divine Office and what isn’t.
 
No. The approved ones are pre-Vatican II monastic (1960 breviary I think, 1934 antiphonary), 1961 Roman, 1970 LOTH.

Pius X abrogated the pre-1910 Roman (Pius V) and interdicted its use. I’m not sure about use of the pre-Vatican II offices outside the communities using it.
 
Concur with other posts…your version is not approved for use at this time in Church history…decree.
Pax Christi
Summorum Pontificum
For the best part of 40 years the traditional Liturgy of the Hours remained the preserve of those in traditional orders and associations. Lay liturgy enthusiasts also continued to harbour a love for the older Office, and in a technological age second-hand editions of the Breviary of Pius X have frequently changed hands on various internet trading sites. Of course, the laity have the right to excercise any form of prayer in their private devotions, and can therefore use any form of the Office they wish, including pre-concilar forms of the Breviary. However for clerics who are bound by canon law to certain forms no such freedom attached itself. The motu proprio Summorum Pontificum of Pope Benedict XVI changed that. Establishing that both the pre-conciliar Mass of Pope John XXIII and the revised form promulgated by Paul VI following the Council are two forms of the Roman rite, the latter ordinary, the former extraordinary,21 the Holy Father then went on to grant secular clergy the right to use whichever form of the Breviary they wished to.22 Indeed, some Religious congregations have already accepted the Pope’s invitation to take up the older form of the Office. Summorum Pontificum restored the Breviary of Pius X to its position as a tool of sanctification for all the people of God who wish to draw from its spiritual riches. As Benedict XVI points out in his historic motu proprio: “[T]he Latin liturgy of the Church in its various forms, in each century of the Christian era, has been a spur to the spiritual life of many saints, has reinforced many peoples in the virtue of religion and fecundated their piety.”baroniuspress.com/book.php?wid=56&bid=59#tab=tab-3
 
Here is the USCCB approval of what is accepted. From the….Preface…Sadly…Out of stock. at Baronius Press
Pax Christi
The motu proprio of His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI, Summorum Pontificum, marked a milestone in the liturgical life of the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church. Pope Benedict XVI came to the See of Rome with a profound knowledge of, and deep appreciation for, the liturgical sciences. His motu proprio established that the Roman Rite is not restricted to one single expression, but that there are indeed two legitimate expressions or “forms” of the rite. The Church uses as the ordinary form, that which was promulgated by Pope Paul VI. What is now known as the extraordinary form is the rite that was celebrated previous to, and throughout the Second Vatican Council, and is recognized by His Holiness as a priceless gift to the entire people of God. The venerable Sacred Liturgy has always included offices of prayer which serve to sanctify the hours of the day. In order to enrich their prayer life and deepen their celebration of the sublime Mystery of Faith,** Summorum Pontificum opened the possibility for the clergy to employ the Latin form of the Breviary in use in 1962, to fulfil their obligation to recite the Divine Office.**
It is therefore my pleasure to grant my episcopal approval for this new edition of The Roman Breviary in Latin and English. These handsomely produced volumes will serve those Catholics in the English speaking world who are attached to the extraordinary form of the Roman Rite, by allowing them to enter more deeply into the spiritual riches provided by the older Latin liturgical forms. However, our Holy Father has always insisted on the hermeneutic of continuity and reform, so the Breviary of 1960 will not only be spiritually profitable in and of itself, but it will also help to enrich and deepen understanding and celebration of the Liturgy of the Hours as reformed by Pope Paul VI. The return to print of a bilingual version of this form of the Breviary – which has not been available to the faithful for forty years – has not come too soon, as it will allow those whose Latin is less than fluent to participate more fruitfully in these beautiful and timeless prayers.
The Most Reverend Fabian W. Bruskewitz, STD
Bishop of Lincoln
baroniuspress.com/book.php?wid=56&bid=59#tab=tab-2
 
The DivinumOfficium.com website contains the following disclaimer as to the status of its contents:
Those who are obliged to recite the office should do so from canonically approved books. (Can 276.2.3) According to the motu proprio Summorum Pontificium Cura of Pope Benedict XVI (7 July 2007), only the 1962 books are accepted as the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite. The Project makes every effort to maintain in this website the Rubrics 1960 version to be identical with the 1962 typical edition. The website is seeking ecclesiastical approbation as such.
 
Would it be the public prayer of the church if I did the 1962 one in english instead of latin? Thanks.
 
Would it be the public prayer of the church if I did the 1962 one in english instead of latin? Thanks.
No. There is no approved translation of the 1962 Office. The English is only there to help one understand the prayer but it needs to be prayed in Latin.
 
Do you know where i could buy one because I’m thinking of flowing the Divine Offices
 
So the $15 app I just paid for isn’t valid? It’s the Divine Office app.
Sorry if it’s a dumb question but I’m new at this and now I’m worried I haven’t been praying correctly.
Thank you.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top