If I want to die, I should have the right to be killed by the State!

[Lilyflower]

A strange topic, I agree. Please read below:

‘Right to Choice!’

Someone in UK wiht MS has won the right to be killed!

The BBC News 24 channel in UK, ‘Have your say’ are debating the ‘Right to chose’ death as a moral responsible right.

People from all walks of life are arguing for euthenasia.

Responses from responsible Christians urgently required to debate this perilous topic.

Please visit this site and contribute.

Blessings and peace.

 

[Mark77]

It is never acceptable to choose euthanasia, the easy way out! ( i know, i tried when i was depressed, overwhelmed and weak!)

Jesus wants us to follow His will for us no matter how difficult! Only He can decide when it is time for us to come to Heaven and see Him.

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Pecatoribus!

mark

 

[Rascalking]

I’ll admit, I struggle with this one. For me, abortion is flat out wrong and disgusting, I don’t understand why people would adovcate it.

Euthanasia, on the other hand, makes me squirm. When someone is in terrible pain, and going to die anyway, I realy cringe when I hear the church teaching on it.

Hear me well-for what its worth, I agree with the church that euthanasia is wrong. I’m just honest enough to admit that I find it to be a very morally complicated issue.

 

[ALLGIRLS]

What I don’t understand about his whole “right to die” movement is why it’s even necessary. People have been killing themselves probably since the beginning of time (just as long as we’ve been killing each other, I’m sure. If someone wants to die, why can’t he just do it himself? Not that I’m advocating it; I believe suicide is self-murder, but why drag the doctor and the rest of society into it? You don’t need a prescription for a lethal dose of barbituates to kill yourself, there’s plenty of other ways. If you’re too chicken to do it on your own, then suck it up and wait for God to take you in His time.

What bothers me about this is the fact that it’s being shoved down our throats, which makes me think it’s not the people who want to die who are really behind it, but those that WANT others to die once they become inconvenient. They know how morally repugnant that is, though, so few are willing to come out and say it (except Peter Singer. As evil as that man is, you’ve got to admit he’s consistent and honest). Instead they try to paint this picture of the poor suffering terminally ill people just begging to be put out of their misery, and our horrible puritanical society that won’t help them. It’s all a big smoke screen, IMO.

In Christ,

Ellen

 

[royal_archer]

While euthanasia is wrong the other extreme can be wrong also.
I knew someone dying of cancer whose pain medicines were stopped because the high doses may have been fatal.Let people get the treatement they need even if the risk of death is out there. They should be the ones to balance that risk with the reward, not some federal pencil pusher.

 

[mark_a]

Euthanasia, on the other hand, makes me squirm. When someone is in terrible pain, and going to die anyway, I realy cringe when I hear the church teaching on it.

The Church’s teaching is that we are to help terminally sick people, including easing their pain. Even if it hastens their death.

Why does this make you cringe??

Hear me well-for what its worth, I agree with the church that euthanasia is wrong. I’m just honest enough to admit that I find it to be a very morally complicated issue.

I don’t think the Church disagrees that the issue is morally complicated.

 

[ALLGIRLS]

While euthanasia is wrong the other extreme can be wrong also.
I knew someone dying of cancer whose pain medicines were stopped because the high doses may have been fatal.Let people get the treatement they need even if the risk of death is out there. They should be the ones to balance that risk with the reward, not some federal pencil pusher.

and I think that’s the Church’s position as well.

In Christ,

Ellen

 

[Kaninchen]

A strange topic, I agree. Please read below:

‘Right to Choice!’

Someone in UK wiht MS has won the right to be killed!

She hasn’t won anything of the sort.

She’s won the right to have a clear statement from the Director of Public Prosecutions about the circumstances in which her husband might be prosecuted for helping her go to a clinic in Switzerland - see this article in the Daily Telegraph.

Of more interest, from a UK perspective, might be this article in last Saturday’s edition of the Times:

Overwhelming public support for a change in the law to allow medically assisted suicide is revealed in a poll for The Times.

Almost three quarters (74 per cent) of people want doctors to be allowed to help terminally ill patients to end their lives. Support is particularly strong among those aged 55 to 64.

Six out of ten people also want friends and relatives to be able to help their dying loved ones to commit suicide without fear of prosecution.

 

[StrawberryJam]

Putting religious objections to the side for the moment, as long as my tax money is not paying for it, I can’t object.

 

[Dale_M]

The BBC News 24 channel in UK, ‘Have your say’ are debating the ‘Right to chose’ death as a moral responsible right.

Please visit this site and contribute.

You didn’t provide a link to the site, so I will.
newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=6819&edition=2&ttl=20090731042430

The comments are being fully moderated, and the queue is sizable, so don’t expect your comment to appear in short order.

Another thing, I think the title of this thread is misleading since there is no indication that the government is paying for the euthanasia.

 

[Lilyflower]

I’ll admit, I struggle with this one. For me, abortion is flat out wrong and disgusting, I don’t understand why people would adovcate it.

Euthanasia, on the other hand, makes me squirm. When someone is in terrible pain, and going to die anyway, I realy cringe when I hear the church teaching on it.

Hear me well-for what its worth, I agree with the church that euthanasia is wrong. I’m just honest enough to admit that I find it to be a very morally complicated issue.

Actually, the Church teaching is not as unmerciful as one might think. There has been instances of ‘suicide’ the Church has approved of:

During Nazi occupation of Europe in 1940’s, when the Nazi’s conducted reprisals against whole villages by rounding up and hanging the entire population, a noosed rope was thrown over whatever could function as a gibbet, a ladder put against the upright and the poor unfortunate had to climb the ladder then step off at the top, to be left to slowly strangle.

It was not uncommon for the condemned to climb as high as they possibly could then ‘jump’ with the hope it would snap their neck thus preventing slow agonising death.

The Church pronounced that though the unfortunate victim ultimately voluntarily despatched themselves, it was not classed as voluntary suicide and excusable as a means to prevent avoidable suffering.

I am sure this was their purgatory and that they went straight to Heaven.

Blessings and peace.

 

[thunderballs75]

It’s very hard to think about somebody who is in unthinkable pain and are going to die anyways, yet we deny them the right to die. I know it is called “mercy killing”. But, I mean, do we understand how hard it would be? To live for many months longer in excruciating pain, and knowing that your end reward is death (consider some people do not have the hope that they will have eternal life, so that makes it worse).

 

[Lilyflower]

You didn’t provide a link to the site, so I will.
newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=6819&edition=2&ttl=20090731042430

The comments are being fully moderated, and the queue is sizable, so don’t expect your comment to appear in short order.

Another thing, I think the title of this thread is misleading since there is no indication that the government is paying for the euthanasia.

Thankyou Dale, I am very grateful.

Unfortunately, there is a wave of atheism in UK that seems to think they ‘own’ science, forgetting that some of the greatest pioneers during the past 500-years were not only Christian but in many cases Catholics. Among scientific pioneers were some very devout believers.

Atheists claim Darwin as one of their own. It is a fact he was once very religious. He did not give up due to his science but the untimely death of his young daughter is what made him lose faith, The very word ‘Professor’ comes from ‘Profession of Faith, ‘data’ collection clerical work, the work of clerics!’

Fact is science owes much to religion, we must not allow the atheists to claim otherwise!

Blessings and peace

 

[Kaninchen]

Thankyou Dale, I am very grateful.

Unfortunately, there is a wave of atheism in UK that seems to think they ‘own’ science, forgetting that some of the greatest pioneers during the past 500-years were not only Christian but in many cases Catholics. Among scientific pioneers were some very devout believers.

Atheists claim Darwin as one of their own. It is a fact he was once very religious. He did not give up due to his science but the untimely death of his young daughter is what made him lose faith, The very word ‘Professor’ comes from ‘Profession of Faith, ‘data’ collection clerical work, the work of clerics!’

Fact is science owes much to religion, we must not allow the atheists to claim otherwise!

Blessings and peace

No, there’s a great wave of total indifference to both religion and atheism in the UK that moaning about the supposed naughtiness of atheists won’t touch.

 

[thunderballs75]

And lets not forget Br. Roger Bacon, one of the great influences of the scientific method, Fr. Gregor Mendel, the father of genetics, and Fr. Georges Lemaitre, the creator of the Big Bang theory. Actually, seems to me like everything the atheists claim came from the Catholics. LOL!

But actually it is true. Most Britons are just irreligious, not necessarily the militant atheists you see every so often.

 

[Kaninchen]

And lets not forget Br. Roger Bacon, one of the great influences of the scientific method, Fr. Gregor Mendel, the father of genetics, and Fr. Georges Lemaitre, the creator of the Big Bang theory. Actually, seems to me like everything the atheists claim came from the Catholics. LOL!

My vote, every time, is for William of Ockham and his razor.

 

[mark_a]

It’s very hard to think about somebody who is in unthinkable pain and are going to die anyways, yet we deny them the right to die.

If you are speaking of government imposed end -of-life decisions, I agree.

However, I found this teaching from the CCC very helpful in the time leading up to my dad’s death:

2279 Even if death is thought imminent, the ordinary care owed to a sick person cannot be legitimately interrupted. The use of painkillers to alleviate the sufferings of the dying, even at the risk of shortening their days, can be morally in conformity with human dignity if death is not willed as either an end or a means, but only foreseen and tolerated as inevitable. Palliative care is a special form of disinterested charity. As such it should be encouraged.

 

[Lilyflower]

No, there’s a great wave of total indifference to both religion and atheism in the UK that moaning about the supposed naughtiness of atheists won’t touch.

Thank you, I absolutely agree with you. We can argue with anyone who cares including atheists but indifference is impenetrable.

In my experience, lots of atheists DO care and care passionately. Many are employed in the field of health care and protection of vulnerable adults where one does not do the job for money but for the love of the job. But sadly, indifference is an entirely different beast.

I have long maintained ‘the enemy of religion is not athiesm but indifference!’

Likewise, it is often thought the opposite to love is hate. Sorry but I beg to differ, I maintaint the opposite to love is indifference. It is much much worse than hate. Hate is still an emotion [albeit a negative one], but indifference is what it is: total absence of not only love but humanity.

I was brought up to believe that ‘hate’ was always wrong. But I have learned to hate. I hate vulnerable adults and children being victimised. I see that as positive. Indifference is anaethematised to the sufferings of others.

Blessings and peace

 

[Lilyflower]

My vote, every time, is for William of Ockham and his razor.

I see you are Jewish. My parents and grandparents fought against Nazi Germany.

Though I wasn’t born until after world war 2, I still feel the need to apologise to you for humanities compicitness in the Holocaust Sister I beg your forgivness.

Blessings and peace.

 

[Spiritoftruth]

…i think most just forget… your life is NOT yours ownership-wise. God owns your life, he has just rented it and will end the lease on his schedule not yours… at least if you hope to renew the lease on the other side… Peace