If I want to learn Latin, so I can understand the TLM & beyond....questions?

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What is the best software out there to be able to learn Latin, Church Latin?

I read somewhere that Rosetta Stones program is not the same Latin :confused:

Can you please explain the difference 🙂 Thanks!

Also, please advise on the best software to be able to learn Latin, as well as the best books, dictionary, CD’s, Dvd’s, etc.

I read about Fluenz, but I do not think they have Latin, not sure… :o

Thanks so much!

God bless,

Pax :highprayer:
 
A good book to use is, “A Primer of Ecclesiastical Latin” by John A. Collins. We use this book in the Seminary for our Latin courses and it works very well!🙂
 
Facite said:
A good book to use is, “A Primer of Ecclesiastical Latin” by John A. Collins. We use this book in the Seminary for our Latin courses and it works very well!🙂
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I second this suggestion. I use(d) it as well for my studies. It really helped me when I was learning the mass. On a side note, it is also helping me in my studies of Italian (though for Italian I’m using Berlitz).
 
I started to learn a little bit of Latin by going to latin masses. The priest that said mass with us gave us a book for free with accurate translation and it helped me understand. I still didn’t learn from the book, but was rather drawn to learn just the sound of it, not the accurate meaning. Latin sounds in my ears like beautiful music. It is indeed a sacred language.

It might be not helpful for you, but I just had to share this.:):)🙂
 
I would learn the Ordinary parts of the Mass verbatim:

V. Kýrie, eléison. R. Kýrie, eléison. (3x)
V. Christe, eléison. R. Christe, eléison. (3x)
V. Kýrie, eléison. R. Kýrie, eléison. (3x)
(The above is actually Greek)

Glory to God
Glória in excélsis Deo
et in terra pax homínibus bonæ voluntátis.
Laudámus te,
benedícimus te,
adorámus te,
glorificámus te,
grátias ágimus tibi propter magnam glóriam tuam,
Dómine Deus, Rex cæléstis,
Deus Pater omnípotens.
Dómine Fili Unigénite, Iesu Christe,
Dómine Deus, Agnus Dei, Fílius Patris,
qui tollis peccáta mundi, miserére nobis;
qui tollis peccáta mundi, súscipe deprecatiónem nostram.
Qui sedes ad déxteram Patris, miserére nobis.
Quóniam tu solus Sanctus, tu solus Dóminus,
tu solus Altíssimus,
Iesu Christe, cum Sancto Spíritu: in glória Dei Patris.
Amen.

Creed
Credo in unum Deum,
Patrem omnipoténtem,
factórem cæli et terræ,
visibílium ómnium et invisibílium.
Et in unum Dóminum Iesum Christum,
Fílium Dei Unigénitum,
et ex Patre natum ante ómnia sǽcula.
Deum de Deo, lumen de lúmine, Deum verum de Deo vero,
génitum, non factum, consubstantiálem Patri:
per quem ómnia facta sunt.
Qui propter nos hómines et propter nostram salútem
descéndit de cælis.
Ad verba quæ sequuntur, usque ad factus est, omnes se inclinant.
Et incarnátus est de Spíritu Sancto
ex María Vírgine, et homo factus est.
Crucifíxus étiam pro nobis sub Póntio Piláto;
passus et sepúltus est,
et resurréxit tértia die, secúndum Scriptúras,
et ascéndit in cælum, sedet ad déxteram Patris.
Et íterum ventúrus est cum glória,
iudicáre vivos et mórtuos,
cuius regni non erit finis.
Et in Spíritum Sanctum, Dóminum et vivificántem:
qui ex Patre Filióque procédit.
Qui cum Patre et Fílio simul adorátur et conglorificátur:
qui locútus est per prophétas.
Et unam, sanctam, cathólicam et apostólicam Ecclésiam.
Confíteor unum baptísma in remissiónem peccatórum.
Et exspécto resurrectiónem mortuórum,
et vitam ventúri sǽculi. Amen.

Holy, Holy, Holy
Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus Dóminus Deus Sábaoth.
Pleni sunt cæli et terra glória tua.
Hosánna in excélsis.
Benedíctus qui venit in nómine Dómini.
Hosánna in excélsis.

I do not think the Pater Noster is considered to be one of the Ordinary parts of the Mass, but it never changes and it is probably the most useful Latin prayer for Catholics to know, so here:

Pater noster, qui es in cælis:
sanctificétur nomen tuum;
advéniat regnum tuum;
fiat volúntas tua, sicut in cælo, et in terra.
Panem nostrum cotidiánum da nobis hódie;
et dimítte nobis débita nostra,
sicut et nos dimíttimus debitóribus nostris;
et ne nos indúcas in tentatiónem;
sed líbera nos a malo.

Lamb of God
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccáta mundi: miserére nobis.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccáta mundi: miserére nobis.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccáta mundi: dona nobis pacem.

You might also like to familiarize yourself with the Roman Canon in Latin, but this will be prayed in a low voice in the EF and you will not be able to hear it except for the “nobis quoque peccatoribus” and the end part of the doxology.
 
I took three years of Latin in Catholic High School. The Latin they taught there was “classical” Latin. I spent three years reading parts of Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey (yuck!). Could never figure out why we weren’t reading the Vulgate.

If you learn Classical Latin, you will have not problem reading Church Latin. The big difference is the pronunciation. This is where I have the problems (LOL).

Some other books that may be helpful:

Louis G. A. Pizzuti “Pray it in Latin”

William E. Linney “Getting Started with Latin: Beginning Latin for Homeschoolers and Self-Taught Students of Any Age”

I have the book mentioned above posts…it is very good too.
 
annspazz said:
I took three years of Latin in Catholic High School. The Latin they taught there was “classical” Latin.
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Classical Latin is wonderful. It is pure. It is also “actual” Latin; ecclesiastical Latin is a descendant. The primacy of classical Latin should never be denied.
I spent three years reading parts of Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey (yuck!). Could never figure out why we weren’t reading the Vulgate.
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This confuses me. The Iliad and the Odyssey were both written in Greek. Maybe that is why your experience reading them in Latin class was so miserable. That being said, reading the Vulgate is not reading the Bible in its original language, while reading Latin texts by Virgil, Cicero, etc. is reading those texts as they were meant to be read.

I would recommend getting the primer in ecclesiastical Latin but also picking up Wheelock’s or some similar textbook for classical Latin. It will help your understanding of the language and permit you to read modern encyclicals, which are more similar to classical Latin than to medieval Latin.
 
Facite said:
A good book to use is, “A Primer of Ecclesiastical Latin” by John A. Collins. We use this book in the Seminary for our Latin courses and it works very well!🙂
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It should be John F.** Collins. Sorry!
 
Megan7 said:
What is the best software out there to be able to learn Latin, Church Latin?

I read somewhere that Rosetta Stones program is not the same Latin :confused:

Can you please explain the difference 🙂 Thanks!

Also, please advise on the best software to be able to learn Latin, as well as the best books, dictionary, CD’s, Dvd’s, etc.

I read about Fluenz, but I do not think they have Latin, not sure… :o

Thanks so much!

God bless,

Pax :highprayer:
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I might suggest learning to pray the rosary in latin first you learn the Our Father,Hail Mary,thecreed,and the glory be and beginto develop a vocabulary then go to mass missal in hand - most missal have Latin and English on facing pages you will pick it up fairly fast.
 
annspazz said:
I took three years of Latin in Catholic High School. The Latin they taught there was “classical” Latin. I spent three years reading parts of Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey (yuck!). Could never figure out why we weren’t reading the Vulgate.

If you learn Classical Latin, you will have not problem reading Church Latin. The big difference is the pronunciation. This is where I have the problems (LOL).

Some other books that may be helpful:

Louis G. A. Pizzuti “Pray it in Latin”

William E. Linney “Getting Started with Latin: Beginning Latin for Homeschoolers and Self-Taught Students of Any Age”

I have the book mentioned above posts…it is very good too.
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Thanks so much for all of the wonderful tips!👍

I also heard about the book above, so now I feel it might be a good deal!
I do not want to buy several books & end up wasting money:o

I also heard about the book mentioned below, by Wheelock (sp?) I think… that I should get after the book by Linney.

In any case, thanks for all of the advice!👍

Any ideas on a good dictionary?

Thank you all!😃

God bless,

PAX :highprayer:
 
I too am in the beginning stages of learning Latin. I am doing it by learning the basic Catholic prayers first. Plus if you look online, type in something like ‘Catholic Latin prayers in audio’ or something to that effect you can listen to the audio version of the Latin / English prayers for free.
Latin is a beautiful language and it’s not too hard to master really, better than German, lol.
My husband and I went to our first Latin Mass at a convent earlier this month. It was AWESOME! We can’t wait to go back next month.
One day I hope to afford the 1965 Daily Roman Missal so it will be easier to follow along when attending the TLM. but until then I will just keep learning the prayers on my own. 🙂
 
YoungTradCath said:
I would learn the Ordinary parts of the Mass verbatim:

V. Kýrie, eléison. R. Kýrie, eléison. (3x)
V. Christe, eléison. R. Christe, eléison. (3x)
V. Kýrie, eléison. R. Kýrie, eléison. (3x)
(The above is actually Greek)

Glory to God
Glória in excélsis Deo
et in terra pax homínibus bonæ voluntátis.
Laudámus te,
benedícimus te,
adorámus te,
glorificámus te,
grátias ágimus tibi propter magnam glóriam tuam,
Dómine Deus, Rex cæléstis,
Deus Pater omnípotens.
Dómine Fili Unigénite, Iesu Christe,
Dómine Deus, Agnus Dei, Fílius Patris,
qui tollis peccáta mundi, miserére nobis;
qui tollis peccáta mundi, súscipe deprecatiónem nostram.
Qui sedes ad déxteram Patris, miserére nobis.
Quóniam tu solus Sanctus, tu solus Dóminus,
tu solus Altíssimus,
Iesu Christe, cum Sancto Spíritu: in glória Dei Patris.
Amen.

Creed
Credo in unum Deum,
Patrem omnipoténtem,
factórem cæli et terræ,
visibílium ómnium et invisibílium.
Et in unum Dóminum Iesum Christum,
Fílium Dei Unigénitum,
et ex Patre natum ante ómnia sǽcula.
Deum de Deo, lumen de lúmine, Deum verum de Deo vero,
génitum, non factum, consubstantiálem Patri:
per quem ómnia facta sunt.
Qui propter nos hómines et propter nostram salútem
descéndit de cælis.
Ad verba quæ sequuntur, usque ad factus est, omnes se inclinant.
Et incarnátus est de Spíritu Sancto
ex María Vírgine, et homo factus est.
Crucifíxus étiam pro nobis sub Póntio Piláto;
passus et sepúltus est,
et resurréxit tértia die, secúndum Scriptúras,
et ascéndit in cælum, sedet ad déxteram Patris.
Et íterum ventúrus est cum glória,
iudicáre vivos et mórtuos,
cuius regni non erit finis.
Et in Spíritum Sanctum, Dóminum et vivificántem:
qui ex Patre Filióque procédit.
Qui cum Patre et Fílio simul adorátur et conglorificátur:
qui locútus est per prophétas.
Et unam, sanctam, cathólicam et apostólicam Ecclésiam.
Confíteor unum baptísma in remissiónem peccatórum.
Et exspécto resurrectiónem mortuórum,
et vitam ventúri sǽculi. Amen.

Holy, Holy, Holy
Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus Dóminus Deus Sábaoth.
Pleni sunt cæli et terra glória tua.
Hosánna in excélsis.
Benedíctus qui venit in nómine Dómini.
Hosánna in excélsis.

I do not think the Pater Noster is considered to be one of the Ordinary parts of the Mass, but it never changes and it is probably the most useful Latin prayer for Catholics to know, so here:

Pater noster, qui es in cælis:
sanctificétur nomen tuum;
advéniat regnum tuum;
fiat volúntas tua, sicut in cælo, et in terra.
Panem nostrum cotidiánum da nobis hódie;
et dimítte nobis débita nostra,
sicut et nos dimíttimus debitóribus nostris;
et ne nos indúcas in tentatiónem;
sed líbera nos a malo.

Lamb of God
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccáta mundi: miserére nobis.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccáta mundi: miserére nobis.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccáta mundi: dona nobis pacem.

You might also like to familiarize yourself with the Roman Canon in Latin, but this will be prayed in a low voice in the EF and you will not be able to hear it except for the “nobis quoque peccatoribus” and the end part of the doxology.
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Thanks for your help & post YTC!👍
God bless you,

Pax :highprayer:

Thanks for all of the wonderful replies!👍
What a wonderful forum & group of people!
Thank you!

Please keep the tips coming!😃
 
I also recommend saying a traditional Office in Latin, if you’re drawn to that practice. I do and besides being a great meditation on the psalms, it is expanding my vocabulary with the repetition of the same prayers each week. You could say the modern LOTH in Latin, too but its four-week cycle won’t drill in the language like the old one-week does.
 
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