If I'm Baptized, Shouldn't I Have The Right To Communion Too?

[Tantum_ergo]

The point is that there is no difference in prayer … or in Christian commitment … or in communion… except in religious minds.

My examples prove that there is not any real substantive difference between Catholics and the Christians in my examples.

The focus and the intent of the examples was to show that those who are not Catholic have striven and achieved the high call as Paul the Apostle describes it …and have proven their ability to serve and die for Christ … but are denied Catholic Communion.

So are your friends who are upset at being ‘denied’ willing to be in communion with the Catholic Church?

Are they ready to accept the Pope as their head? Ready to accept all teachings of the Catholic Church?

If so, then they can go through RCIA and become Catholic.

If not, why would they want to lie to God and others by ‘taking’ Catholic communion while denying and defying Catholic beliefs?

As it is, any CATHOLIC who does this is going to be judged by God as disobedient, as ‘eating and drinking condemnation on himself.’ But the CATHOLIC knows full well (or has the obligation as a Catholic to know, and the opportunity to do so) what it means to ‘take’ communion while denying the Church’s teachings.

The non-Catholic has his or her ‘own’ religious beliefs which often are contradictory to the Catholic Church, but obviously ‘approved’ by his or her ‘own’ church, whereas the Catholic knows that disobedience on his part is disobedience to HIS own church.

Catholics are trying to protect everyone from sin.

So, 1voice, does the Catholic Eucharist mean enough to you that you will come into full communion with the Catholic Church through becoming Catholic yourself?

If it doesn’t mean that much to you, why on earth do you think you have the right to it? If you don’t really know what it is, don’t accept what it is and what it means, and especially its relation to the Catholic Church and teachings, why is it so IMPORTANT to ‘have it’???

I just can’t picture myself wanting to have something offered by a group with whom I refused to belong, many of whose teachings I found at best flawed and at worst utterly contradictory to my entire religious identity and framework. I wouldn’t want to go up there around their altar and ‘break bread’ and ‘commune’ with them and pretend that I was not just part of their group, but a full-fledged ‘true believer’ of all they espoused, in taking communion with them.

Again, nobody is being kept from the Eucharist in that every single person in the world CAN choose to become Catholic and receive the Eucharist if he or she is in a state of grace.

 

[Miriam1947]

How do you define “Catechumens”? We always have a Few leaving Before Communion, probably because they know they are not Qualified to Receive, but love The Mass. They are not catechumens, which is a Defined, limited meaning for RCIA Students.

Some are catechumens, some are candidates. I can’t tell by looking which ones are baptized.

They are in RCIA together because we combine them here at both parishes. We aren’t that big.

 

[Crdl2Grv]

The drug cartel was crushed in Columbia by a small group of Christians that were sent by the Holy spirit with power.

I’m sorry… specifically which Colombian drug cartel was “crushed” by a “small group of Christians?” All of them? That seems weird, considering that the US Drug Enforcement Agency claims that Colombia exports over 400 tons of cocaine every year.

 

[RTully]

I just can’t picture myself wanting to have something offered by a group with whom I refused to belong, many of whose teachings I found at best flawed and at worst utterly contradictory to my entire religious identity and framework. I wouldn’t want to go up there around their altar and ‘break bread’ and ‘commune’ with them and pretend that I was not just part of their group, but a full-fledged ‘true believer’ of all they espoused, in taking communion with them.

I thought we were all Christians?

Mark 9:38-41.

“Teacher,” said John, “we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.” “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us. I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward.”

 

[1voice]

1voice;8420988:

So you are saying or inferring that Catholics do not pray, Catholics prayers are of no avail, do not use the Bible for prayer, and are not "Bible believing men and women and children of God " also?

No. I never implied it either. My point is that there is absolutely no difference in the way the Holy Spirit looks at/ works through … Catholic Christians and Not Catholic Christians.

1voice;8420988:

And how do you know that Catholics were not praying for the same thing? Only silently? And asked for the intercession of the Saints that finally defeated the cartels?

Why do you attempt to negate the value of those that laid their lives down and proved their Christianity … openly?
… and replace it with a scenario that fits your paradigm.

1voice;8420988:

Quote 1voice:
I think that it is based on the fact that… though the Catholic Church teaches that the Universal Christian Communion is One, Holy and Catholic …
They do not believe it.

Quote pablope:
And how do you know what catholics believe and what the CC teaches?

The Apostles’ Creed
circa 300 A.D.

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
Creator of Heaven and Earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ,
His only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit
and born of the Virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended to the dead.
On the third day he rose again.
He ascended into Heaven,
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting.
Amen.

1voice;8420988:

And where do you get this idea of absolute control?

Heres a good example:
quote pablope:
And how do you know that Catholics were not praying for the same thing? Only silently? And asked for the intercession of the Saints that finally defeated the cartels?

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… so it wasnt anything to do with the people that actually confessed Jesus openly in the face of death … and laid down their lives?

1voice;8420988:

It seems you have a lot of angst against the CC.

The author asked why he cant receive Catholic Communion … I showed clearly that Non Catholics are 100% as Christian in every way according to the definition of a Christian … as any Catholic … and that any rule denying access to Communion is therefore religious.

… angst isnt on the radar.

 

[CatholicFascist]

Why is it wrong for a Protestant to take Communion in a Catholic Church? We all belive in God and the wonderful things his Son did for humanity. I understand that it is the blood and body of Christ that is given in that piece of leavened bread and sip of wine. Why am I not worthy? Please help me understand.
Thank You, God Bless.
Protestant Me.

Dear ProtestantMe,

 It is a dogma of Faith that you must be a Catholic and in a state of grace to have the right to partake of the Holy Eucharist.

 That being said, you must renounce your false Protestantism and come into the Catholic Church to save your soul. The Saints have prophesied that in the last days, Rome would depart from the Faith and that there will be very few Catholics left in the world. The Church Fathers were unanimous in saying this also. In the 19th century, the Church approved apparition of Our lady of La Salette prophesied that Rome will depart from the Faith and become the seat of Antichrist. That time is now, because the Church which calls itself the Catholic Church is an imposter ever since the days of the False Vatican II Council. All who are in union with this Church are on the broad road to hell because they are heretics.

Please check out our website, www,johnthebaptist.us. We are the only Catholics left in the world (25 in number). For the love of your immortal soul, please join us. We are under the leadership of a man named Richard Ibranyi, a man who is bearing witness to the truth.

 

[PJM]

=Protestant Me;8414239]Why is it wrong for a Protestant to take Communion in a Catholic Church? We all belive in God and the wonderful things his Son did for humanity. I understand that it is the blood and body of Christ that is given in that piece of leavened bread and sip of wine. Why am I not worthy? Please help me understand.
Thank You, God Bless.
Protestant Me.

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GREAT QUESTION; Thanks,

It has to do with what Christ Himself directed and commanded.***

Not to get off topic but no where in the bible; Old or new Testament did God; yahweh or Christ ever teach that it’s OK to have other gods, other faith beliefes or belong to a different sect. NOT ONE TIME!

In that thought is the answer to your question. Jesus ONLY founded one Church; has always demanded alliigence to only Him, and approves of ONLY One set of Faith beliefs.

**Starting with Mt. 16:19 **and giving ONLY Peter and His CC the keys to heaven to John 20:19-22 where Jesus starts officially His One CC abd gives to it His actual authority and Powers; to the last Supper wherein Jesus institustes the Eucnarist; NOT as a symbol, Not a mere sign; BUT Really the Glorified Risen Body Blood, soil and Divinity; the entire Jesus Really and truly present.

If you do not for what ever reason accept this truth in its entireity; then receiving Jusus unworthly is a blasphemous act. IF you do beleive it but for some reason do not belong to the CC; that is your LOSS. For ONLY in the CC are the sacraments [all of them] practiced fully, validly and licitly. So one who actually desires to be united with jesus in an intimacy greater than the marriage union; one needs to be a member of the CC.

Here is the evidence backing up these statements:

Mt. 16: 18-19 “And I [Jesus] tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

Jn. 20:21-22 "Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit”… meaning with His Powers and authority.

Matthew 26: 26-28

"And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke: and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat. This is my body. And taking the chalice, he gave thanks, and gave to them, saying: Drink ye all of this. For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.

MARK 14: 22-24 “And whilst they were eating, Jesus took bread; and blessing, broke, and gave to them, and said: Take ye. This is my body. And having taken the chalice, giving thanks, he gave it to them. And they all drank of it. And he said to them: This is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many”.

Luke 22: 19-21"And taking bread, he gave thanks, and brake; and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. **Do this for a commemoration of me. **In like manner the chalice also, after he had supped, saying: This is the chalice, the new testament in my blood, which shall be shed for you".

**John.10: 16 **“And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd”

Eph. 4: 1-7 “I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body WHICH MEANS ONE CHURCH] and one Spirit, just as you were called to the*** one hope*** that belongs to your call, one Lord, **one faith, [Meaning only One set of beliefs] one baptism, **one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift."

**Eph. 2:19-20 “**So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, [singular] built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; [singular] in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

God Bless,
Pat

 

[Crdl2Grv]

I’m sorry… specifically which Colombian drug cartel was “crushed” by a “small group of Christians?” All of them? That seems weird, considering that the US Drug Enforcement Agency claims that Colombia exports over 400 tons of cocaine every year.

Still waiting, 1voice.

 

[Miriam1947]

Dear ProtestantMe,

 It is a dogma of Faith that you must be a Catholic and in a state of grace to have the right to partake of the Holy Eucharist.

 That being said, you must renounce your false Protestantism and come into the Catholic Church to save your soul. The Saints have prophesied that in the last days, Rome would depart from the Faith and that there will be very few Catholics left in the world. The Church Fathers were unanimous in saying this also. In the 19th century, the Church approved apparition of Our lady of La Salette prophesied that Rome will depart from the Faith and become the seat of Antichrist. **That time is now, because the Church which calls itself the Catholic Church is an imposter ever since the days of the False Vatican II Council. All who are in union with this Church are on the broad road to hell because they are heretics.

**
Please check out our website, www,johnthebaptist.us. We are the only Catholics left in the world (25 in number). For the love of your immortal soul, please join us. We are under the leadership of a man named Richard Ibranyi, a man who is bearing witness to the truth.

Well it was nice to meet you. I’m not sure how to break this to you but you 25 are probably not as secure as you think you are.

By the way bad link.

I found your website. Are you proud of it?

This is one of the New things posted:

7/2/11 – New video added to “The Holocaust Conspiracy” page:

· The Buchenwald Hoax, by Anonymous

This video exposes the lying methods of the USA Government in propagating the Holocaust lie and other lies about Germans and German so-called atrocities during World War II. It exposes the hypocrisies and lies that took place during the Nuremberg Trial of German so-called criminals, which was no trial at all but a Kangaroo Court. The real criminals were the USA and her Judeo-Masonic allies. This video shows the real reasons inmates in German prisons near the end of the war were starving. It was not because the Germans wanted to starve them but because of typhus and a lack of food, as even German soldiers and citizens were starving.

Disgusting.

 

[CatholicFascist]

Well it was nice to meet you. I’m not sure how to break this to you but you 25 are probably not as secure as you think you are.

By the way bad link.

I found your website. Are you proud of it?

This is one of the New things posted:

7/2/11 – New video added to “The Holocaust Conspiracy” page:

· The Buchenwald Hoax, by Anonymous

This video exposes the lying methods of the USA Government in propagating the Holocaust lie and other lies about Germans and German so-called atrocities during World War II. It exposes the hypocrisies and lies that took place during the Nuremberg Trial of German so-called criminals, which was no trial at all but a Kangaroo Court. The real criminals were the USA and her Judeo-Masonic allies. This video shows the real reasons inmates in German prisons near the end of the war were starving. It was not because the Germans wanted to starve them but because of typhus and a lack of food, as even German soldiers and citizens were starving.

Disgusting.

I’m sorry about the bad link. I was going to correct it, but I was unaware of the 20 minute rule and could not edit it.

For anyone who is interested in checking out our website, please see, www.johnthebaptist.us.

 

[hn160]

Why is it wrong for a Protestant to take Communion in a Catholic Church? We all belive in God and the wonderful things his Son did for humanity. I understand that it is the blood and body of Christ that is given in that piece of leavened bread and sip of wine. Why am I not worthy? Please help me understand.
Thank You, God Bless.
Protestant Me.

When one takes Communion at either a Lutheran ( LC-MS, WELS ), Catholic, or Orthodox altar, it presumes that all communing are of like mind in doctrine and belief. As a Lutheran, I would not commune at a Catholic or Orthodox even if it was offered. The same goes for Calvinist or Evangelical Communion or ELCA churches. It all boils down to doctrine.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

I thought we were all Christians?

Mark 9:38-41.

“Teacher,” said John, “we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.” “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us. I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward.”

Sure we are all Christians. . .but are even all nonCatholic Christians in agreement with each other, let alone Catholics or Orthodox?

You know, the Orthodox do not permit non-Orthodox to receive communion in their church. Is the OP on this tthread going to go to the Eastern Catholic forum and start up a thread about how as a baptized nonORTHODOX Christian, you should be entitled to receive the Eucharist at their Divine Liturgy? Why not?

I know that some of our nonCatholic Christian friends have said that in their lifetimes their denomination ALSO practiced ‘closed communion’ so it isn’t as if this is something ‘limited’ to Catholic (or Orthodox) Christians and in some nonCatholic Christian groups it is STILL closed communion.

Are you in full communion with us Catholics? No, you aren’t, and to take our Eucharist you would be making a visible public ‘statement’ that you WERE in full union with us–which would be a lie.

Same with Catholics taking communion in a non-Catholic Church. Some Catholics might do it out of ignorance, but it would be the same lie. . .for we are not in full agreement with all your teachings, otherwise we would be all in the SAME Church.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

When one takes Communion at either a Lutheran ( LC-MS, WELS ), Catholic, or Orthodox altar, it presumes that all communing are of like mind in doctrine and belief. As a Lutheran, I would not commune at a Catholic or Orthodox even if it was offered. The same goes for Calvinist or Evangelical Communion or ELCA churches. It all boils down to doctrine.

Thank you. . .and also good manners, which YOU at least are displaying by your willingness to respect the beliefs of others.

 

[1voice]

Still waiting, 1voice.

Julio Ruibal, who was martyred for his faith in 1995, left us a legacy of revival. His widow, Ruth, shares in this interview how the gospel transformed Bolivia in the 1970s.

Most American Christians today are unfamiliar with Julio Ruibal, the humble Bolivian preacher who was known in South America as “the apostle of the Andes.” He was martyred in 1995 in Cali, Colombia, where he and his wife, Ruth, planted a church and were mobilizing unity among churches in order to stop the violent drug cartels that controlled that city.

Ruth Ruibal carries her husband’s torch today. Besides leading their ministry in Colombia, she speaks all over the world about the need for genuine revival and its transforming power. In this interview, she shares with Charisma about what she believes we should expect when we pray for revival to sweep our own country.

Charisma: You and your husband moved to Colombia, and then he was martyred in 1995. Persecution and martyrdom is also a byproduct of revival that we don’t talk about much. How did your husband’s death spark revival in Colombia?

Ruibal: After Julio was killed, the church in the city of Cali, Colombia, united in prayer, first in the coliseum with 20,000 people in March 1995 and then in the stadium with 40,000 in August and 45,000 in November. After we started praying together, several things took place:
The churches started to grow and the gospel reached to another strata of society—businessmen, lawyers, teachers, politicians, news anchors, and others came to know the Lord. The general atmosphere of the city changed and there was a new hunger for the Lord in the general population.
In those first nine months (March to November) six of the seven major drug lords in Cali fell and the last one turned himself in nine months later. The crime rate began to drop and we had a different city.
One of the most historic events took place at Julio’s funeral. The president of the ministerial association asked that since Julio was so strong about unity, we should make a covenant of unity right then. All the pastors came forward, we embraced one another and made a simple covenant that is written profoundly in our hearts even today: “We are one and we will let nothing divide us.”
Cali in general has experienced a new day. We have seen crime reduced, we have seen people come to the Lord in large numbers and we have a fine Christian councilman in office. However, we know the Lord has much more for us.

revivals.charismamag.com/printable.html

 

[PRmerger]

Why is it wrong for a Protestant to take Communion in a Catholic Church? We all belive in God and the wonderful things his Son did for humanity. I understand that it is the blood and body of Christ that is given in that piece of leavened bread and sip of wine. Why am I not worthy? Please help me understand.
Thank You, God Bless.
Protestant Me.

Because you are not married to Christ, but only engaged to Him through your baptism.

And just like an engaged couple, even if they love each and other and are fully committed to each other, cannot engage in the One Flesh Union, so, too a baptized Christian cannot engage in the One Flesh Union of the Eucharist until he fully marries by joining the Catholic Church.

 

[1voice]

Because you are not married to Christ, but only engaged to Him through your baptism.

And just like an engaged couple, even if they love each and other and are fully committed to each other, cannot engage in the One Flesh Union, so, too a baptized Christian cannot engage in the One Flesh Union of the Eucharist until he fully marries by joining the Catholic Church.

Can you please provide the scriptures that support your statement.

 

[hn160]

Thank you. . .and also good manners, which YOU at least are displaying by your willingness to respect the beliefs of others.

It is better to be honest in your disagreements than to gloss over them and say that doctrine doesn’t matter. Lehre er Liv, Doctrine is Life.
I respect Pope Benedict XVI, he never tries to gloss over differences between Catholic and Lutheran doctrines, yet he understands Luther.

 

[PRmerger]

Can you please provide the scriptures that support your statement.

I will, right after you provide the Scriptures that state I must support all theological beliefs with Scripture.

If you can’t (and, you can’t ) then you are providing a false criterion which even you can’t support with Scripture.

 

[JonNC]

There is much that is being said here. First you admit to being Protestant posting on Catholic Answers. You are concerned enough to ask a question as to the propriety of communion in a Catholic Church. Many Protestants as you know believe that the Catholic Church is not a Christian Church and your consideration is a consideration of other than that. To say that you understand that the body and blood of Christ is given in bread and wine is a far cry from the Protestant that states it is only symbol. The fact that you ask if you are worthy suggests humility and I honor that. To ask for understanding, offering gratitude and blessing suggests that there may be more to your journey than is offered here. I suggest you continue to search and ask and find your way to the wedding supper of the lamb.

Coptic,
I didn’t notice any responses to your post, but I have to respond. This is a wonderful, compassionate, charitable post. Well said, my friend.

Jon

 

[AntalKalnoky]

I’m sorry… specifically which Colombian drug cartel was “crushed” by a “small group of Christians?” All of them? That seems weird, considering that the US Drug Enforcement Agency claims that Colombia exports over 400 tons of cocaine every year.

** Please read Post 54 Carefully. It was International News, although Any reference to Prayers, religion is carefully Avoided. ** Our
“War on Drugs” has been a Complete Failure, Often in the News. Our Drug use has climbed, spread massively: Among the Lost, Unchurched, as All our Other failing Society Problems are Caused by!