If Jesus is God in the flesh, who was he yelling out to while being crucified?

[Seekerjn316]

Actually he was calling to to the Father

To Servant 19 point, no where in scripture does Jesus address God as anything but "Father…that Psalm 22 WAS a beloved psalm Jews used to use to remind them while verse 1 begins with cries pleading to God asking “why…?” . A prayer of despair, yet because of the shift from “why” to praise and words of faith and hope is what caused it to have such meaning for Jews.

IF Jesus lost faith and really believed the Father had forsaken him…God the Eternal One was now REALLY divided…Did Jesus know and reflect the Heart of the Father and always trust Him to do the right thing?

One of the things that has pulled me to God was a definition of faith…“faith knows that God Has our best interests ever before Him, He is working all things out for our good.” I was dumbfounded we I discovered no matter what trial lays before me, God will and can use awful circumstances to accomplish His will"

For me, when I turned toward God, it was almost overwhelming to believe even though He is unseen and not felt, though He seems silent, offering no hope about the situation I was in, since faith is MORE, more than intellect more than feeling, more…Words fail me.

Faith is chosing to believe, have faith in, rely on, no matter the circumstances of my situation, He was in control and working all things for my good…even if it doesn’t feel like it.

I am a man of imperfect faith, Jesus wasnt.

 

[porthos11]

This is the truth. The Father is one person, the Son another just as you and I are separate people. There could be nothing more straight forward. Though I can’t imaging porthos how you accept this conclusion and still call yourself a Catholic.

Because what I just posted is the Catholic belief. Catholics are not modalists/Sabellanists.

“That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;** Neither confounding the Persons; **nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal.” – Athanasian Creed

 

[Seekerjn316]

This is what I was going to say although my statement would not have been as elegant as Usige’s statement.

Jesus is not just like you & I - He is God. The belief that Jesus was just a man like all men is why the LDS are not considered Christian by Catholic Church. To be Christian one must believe in the divine nature of Jesus Christ. I think you have twisted Porthos statement to fit your conclusion of the nature of Jesus.

But the thing is…" he was in all things like us…" The Mystery if the Incarnation is that God EMPTIED Himself and did not see his divinity something to be held on to…but became a servant…He became one of US, He was tested like us, he was one of us, He relied on his Father.

Because of the Incarnation, humanity has been raised to new heights. The great contoverses and all the creeds founded out in the first centuries were not trying to protect his divinity, but his humanity and state over and over…“The Word became human”, "though existing as God,he emptied himself…took on a servants role…and became man.

That He would become like us, live like us, hurt like us boggles the mind…but He did it anyways

 

[Peter_Plato]

This has always been an issue that has caused me to be confused. If Jesus is God incarnate, yet the Father is also God along with the Spirit, why would Jesus have called out, “My God, My God why have you forsaken me?” Wouldn’t he, in a theological sense have been talking to himself?

How would “My God, why have you forsaken me?” show that Jesus was NOT God any more than his saying, “My people, why have you crucified me?” would show he was NOT human? Would the second necessarily imply he was not a human being or not have a human nature merely because he was addressing other persons who shared his nature?

The difference, it would seem, is that the nature of God involves three distinct persons sharing one nature (God,) but the nature of humanity involves a potentially limitless number of persons separately instantiating but nonetheless sharing one human nature.

The difference, I think, lies in the difference between what it means to be God (Ipsum Esse Subsistens, Existence Itself or Pure Being) and what it means to be human (isolatable and locatable beings with the same nature.)

 

[Janderich]

Because what I just posted is the Catholic belief. Catholics are not modalists/Sabellanists.

“That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;** Neither confounding the Persons; **nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal.” – Athanasian Creed

I wish the plain truth could be accepted. It is so plain even a child could understand. But creeds like the above composed of double speak have caused many to err.

 

[Peter_Plato]

I wish the plain truth could be accepted. It is so plain even a child could understand. But creeds like the above composed of double speak have caused many to err.

Your claim, then, is that the “creeds like the above” – including the Apostle’s Creed since the time of the Apostles and the Nicaean Creed since the time of the Church Fathers – demonstrate that the apostasy originated in the teaching of the Apostles and Church Fathers?

So we are to believe that Christ, himself, erred in choosing and commissioning that lot and their immediate successors, then?

May as well trade in the authority of Christ and exchange it for the authority of human beings like Joseph Smith, I suppose.

That certainly would be a hard sell for anyone actually interested in sound reason, reliable history, solid theology, coherent philosophy and plausible metaphysics.

“Plain” is one thing, “simplistic” is something else, entirely.

 

[porthos11]

I wish the plain truth could be accepted. It is so plain even a child could understand. But creeds like the above composed of double speak have caused many to err.

Many have erred, but it’s not the creeds or those who confess them. It is those who don’t confess those creeds that are in error.

There is nothing “plain” about the Almighty.

 

[Michael68]

I wish the plain truth could be accepted. It is so plain even a child could understand. But creeds like the above composed of double speak have caused many to err.

Sounds like Pastor Arnold Murray, a heretic

 

[truthseeker32]

I wish the plain truth could be accepted. It is so plain even a child could understand. But creeds like the above composed of double speak have caused many to err.

The simplest proposition is not always the truest. I’m sure Mormons believe some things that could have a simpler explanation.

 

[tp3192000]

For me, when I turned toward God, it was almost overwhelming to believe even though He is unseen and not felt, though He seems silent, offering no hope about the situation I was in, since faith is MORE, more than intellect more than feeling, more…Words fail me.

Faith is chosing to believe, have faith in, rely on, no matter the circumstances of my situation, He was in control and working all things for my good…even if it doesn’t feel like it.

I am a man of imperfect faith, Jesus wasnt.

Amen:thumbsup:

 

[Pythons]

I concur.

Any Jewish listener would have immediately known Jesus was referring them to the Psalm…
…I’ve heard it called “the victory Psalm”. The last two sentences says it all.

Arians such as the JW’s, Christadelphians & SDA’s believe Jesus saying this on the cross…
…Means that He was accepting the fate of a creature Christ and that laden with sin “the Father turned His back on him”.
…Creature Christ, in despair, shouted at the Father asking why He turned His back on Him.

 

[KathleenGee]

The Holy Trinity consists of 3 Persons…but not like how we consider others and ourselves as persons.

That is because the Holy Trinity is designated to God alone. As St. Michael declared, “Who is like unto God!” As such, our minds cannot fully grasp the whole of Holy Trinity because God is outside of us. St. Thomas said, ‘our understanding of God can be compared to an eye of an owl (which works only in darkness) next to the sun.’

So much understanding of God must rest on the end on our faith in Him, and live with sacred mysteries.

God has 3 Persons, but all 3 are of the same substance, God. If they were separate, then there is the assumption that all are capable of going in different directions and wills.

Christ is both True God and True Man. One could say He has 2 wills, but His human will always submitted to the will of the Heavenly Father.

When Christ cried out, what you heard was Christ’s humanity in much great pain. Emotions cannot mean anything beyond them. The focus is that in His perfect humanity, this was fully realized in His perfect offering of self to the Heavenly Father for the defeat of sin and our salvation.

Christ’s humanity is a great lesson to help us learn patience and love when dealing with adversity. We can express emotions of fatigue, sorrow, pain, exasperation, helplessness, seeking help and deliverance of the moment…but what is important is enduring in Christ and bearing His fruits of love and mercy to the will of the Heavenly Father.

And true prayer must only past one criteria: True prayer is that which continually seeks the will of the Heavenly Father throughout one’s day. We must endure to the end with our Crucified Lord, the bridge to the Heavenly Father as St. Catherine of Siena used to say.