If Jews do not believe that Jesus was the Messiah...

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…when do they believe “He” is coming? If you are Jewish, it would be greatly helpful to have a dialogue I think, on why you don’t believe Jesus is the Messiah, was sent to us from God, to not only teach but to die for our sins.

I would also be interested in learning, as to what signs do Jews seek in order to believe in a (future) Messiah?

Thanks–hope to have a productive conversation.
 
whatevergirl said:
…when do they believe “He” is coming? If you are Jewish, it would be greatly helpful to have a dialogue I think, on why you don’t believe Jesus is the Messiah, was sent to us from God, to not only teach but to die for our sins.

I would also be interested in learning, as to what signs do Jews seek in order to believe in a (future) Messiah?

Thanks–hope to have a productive conversation.
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Would you also like to know why we do not accept Krishna, Buddha, Zororaster and other nonJewish deities? Or just Jesus?

Because the reasons will be basically the same for all of them.
 
Sepharad said:
Would you also like to know why we do not accept Krishna, Buddha, Zororaster and other nonJewish deities? Or just Jesus?

Because the reasons will be basically the same for all of them.
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Just Jesus…No other ‘prophets’ died for our sins. So, I believe the outcome would be different. I would prefer we stayed on topic, too…thanks.
 
Whatevergirl, do you remember that the apostles themselves had a priori notions of the Messiah that Jesus explained better. Those who lived with Him, witnessed His words, deeds, miracles, death and resurrection understood that they did not have the full picture. The remaining Jews now still hold to these same notions, for example , world peace that Jesus did not bring, according to how they understood the verse in question.
 
inJESUS said:
Whatevergirl, do you remember that the apostles themselves had a priori notions of the Messiah that Jesus explained better. Those who lived with Him, witnessed His words, deeds, miracles, death and resurrection understood that they did not have the full picture. The remaining Jews now still hold to these same notions, for example , world peace that Jesus did not bring, according to how they understood the verse in question.
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Ok, yes, I do remember…and in speaking with a few muslim friends recently, it would seem they feel similiarly on that point. That helps a bit, thank you!
 
So, you want to know what the signs of the true Messiah are, for Jews?

We believe:

The true Messiah will be a human being, not a god.

He will be physically descended from King David on his father’s side, with no one named Jeconiah in his lineage (because a curse had been placed on Jeconiah, that none of his ancestors would ever be Messiah)

He will be a married man, with children (because he will keep Torah/the Law perfectly, and the first Law of the Torah is, “be fruitful and multiply”)

He will usher in an age of universal peace, along the lines of Isaiah 11:6-9

He will not form a new religion; he will teach all to obey the Torah only.

Does that answer your questions?
 
Sepharad said:
Would you also like to know why we do not accept Krishna, Buddha, Zororaster and other nonJewish deities? Or just Jesus?

Because the reasons will be basically the same for all of them.
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But, there is a great difference between those three and Jesus. Krishna, Buddha, and Zoroaster were not Jewish; Jesus was. K, B, and Z were not born to Jewish parents, Jesus was. They did not practice Judaism; Jesus did. They did not preach to the Jewish people; Jesus did. There would be no reason whatsoever for the Jewish people to accept K, B, or Z as Messiah. But Jesus was totally different in his relationship to the Jewish people than any of these other three.
 
RandA said:
All, as in, everyone in the whole world?
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Judaism teaches that when the Messiah comes, everyone will worship on God’s Holy Mountain, and His House shall be called a House of Prayer for All Peoples (Isaiah.)
 
Sepharad said:
Judaism teaches that when the Messiah comes, everyone will worship on God’s Holy Mountain, and His House shall be called a House of Prayer for All Peoples (Isaiah.)
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Interesting, I did not know that.

Is that taken literally? Is there knowledge as to where God’s Holy Mountain is - i.e., which mountain?

Sorry OP, don’t mean to derail… so I’ll shut up now.
 
RandA said:
Interesting, I did not know that.

Is that taken literally? Is there knowledge as to where God’s Holy Mountain is - i.e., which mountain?

Sorry OP, don’t mean to derail… so I’ll shut up now.
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I’m not sure about the literal mountain thing or not…but Judaism teaches that the righteous of all peoples have a share in the World to Come. This is all based on Isaiah 55-56, in the Bible.

We do not condemn anyone for not believing as we do.
 
Sepharad said:
I’m not sure about the literal mountain thing or not…but Judaism teaches that the righteous of all peoples have a share in the World to Come. This is all based on Isaiah 55-56, in the Bible.

We do not condemn anyone for not believing as we do.
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can you elaborate on this point please? what does it mean that all people will worship on God’s mountain?
 
inJESUS said:
can you elaborate on this point please? what does it mean that all people will worship on God’s mountain?
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Don’t know about worshipping on the mountain. I assume that means at the Temple. I’ve been taught that the whole world will worship the One God.
 
Valke2 said:
Don’t know about worshipping on the mountain. I assume that means at the Temple. I’ve been taught that the whole world will worship the One God.
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yea i understand the last part…but regarding the temple or mountain, would it even fit all of mankind?
 
Valke2 said:
Don’t know about worshipping on the mountain. I assume that means at the Temple. I’ve been taught that the whole world will worship the One God.
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It is in Isaiah chapter 56, in what Christians call “the old testament”.
 
Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices [shall be] accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
 
Sepharad said:
I’m not sure about the literal mountain thing or not…but Judaism teaches that the righteous of all peoples have a share in the World to Come. This is all based on Isaiah 55-56, in the Bible.

We do not condemn anyone for not believing as we do.
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But in Isaiah, we can also see the prophecy of the Messiah, of Christ…I am not understanding why only some parts are followed.
 
whatevergirl said:
But in Isaiah, we can also see the prophecy of the Messiah, of Christ…I am not understanding why only some parts are followed.
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What we need are some “FAQ’s asked to Jewish posters on CAF” threads, or at least keep a record of some significant threads, so that the whole business doesn’t have to be re-hashed all the time.
 
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