If man is born a sinner, than man can be born gay

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Memaw said:
Yes and my views are in accord with the teachings of the Catholic Church. God Bless, Memaw
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There is no problem with that at all. I would never try to tell you what you should believe or anyone else. I hope you have a nice day and a good year.
 
SilverLight said:
I personally have no problem if someone uses contraception though that is their choice and it is being safe.
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Then you should have no problem with those with same sex attraction engaging in sex. In the teachings of the Church the sin is the same.
 
HelenRose said:
Then you should have no problem with those with same sex attraction engaging in sex. In the teachings of the Church the sin is the same.
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I do not care what someone else does with their time. That is their decision and not mine. If no one is being harmed or killed I let them be. I’m just an open minded person and trying to accept people for who they are without causing problems for others. If someone does not agree with me that is fine they do not have to. I only ask for for the same respect back that I give them.:)🙂
 
SilverLight said:
I do not care what someone else does with their time. That is their decision and not mine. If no one is being harmed or killed I let them be. I’m just an open minded person and trying to accept people for who they are without causing problems for others. If someone does not agree with me that is fine they do not have to. I only ask for for the same respect back that I give them.:)🙂
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Ah, Modernism at its finest.
 
mamlukman said:
Your original premise, “Man is born a sinner,” could have several interpretations. My own would be that “Man is unworthy of God without redemption.” But let’s let that pass.

Could a person be born gay? Possibly. Kinsey thought there was a continuum from 100% straight on one end to 100% gay on the other, and most of us were somewhere in between. I think from everyday experience that makes sense.

However, until science proves there is a “gay gene,” I personally think it has more to do with your environment growing up and choice.

If you look at history and anthropology, you can see that entire societies (ancient Greece) were “gay” in the sense that homosexual sex with boys was not only common, but was applauded. So because it was accepted–and even expected–it was done. There was even the “Sacred Band,” an elite military group of 300 in Thebes made up of 150 homosexual couples. The famous line in Leviticus wasn’t put there because men weren’t having sex with each other–obviously they were, and the verse was forbidding it. Different societies have had vastly different levels of acceptance of homosexuality.

Turn to anthropology. In Papua there are several tribes where homosexuality is simply a stage between boyhood and adulthood. Then there are English boarding schools, prisons, and yes (sorry) Muslim societies where a lack of women is made up for by the availability of men. You could certainly argue that in these cases it’s not “really” a choice, it’s more a matter of convenience, but it’s still there, and to me it’s obviously a choice, although not a totally free choice (but what is?). And generally it’s seen as a stage in a “normal” man’s life.
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I find the anthropological aspect of homosexuality interesting. The boys in Papua, New Guinea, whom you mention, undergo a rite of passage into adulthood by having oral sex with adult men and ingesting their semen. This process is believed to make the boys more masculine and thus ready to assume their social role as normal adult men. It is not regarded as homosexuality although, from a Western perspective, the behavior would be considered homosexual. In fact, for the culture of Papua, the behavior described is, in part, designed to safeguard AGAINST homosexuality in adulthood. This brings up the issue of whether homosexuality, by definition, is based on same-sex behavior, same-sex desire, or both. Diverse cultures have different ideas about this.
 
Elizium23 said:
Ah, Modernism at its finest.
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Perhaps it is. I had to change the way I see things because frankly depression and anxiety start to be bad after a while. I worried about so much when I was younger and felt bad for things that I now know I did not need to. I had to change to feel better about myself and who I was and am now. I’m a happier and more go lucky individual today. 🙂
 
SilverLight said:
Perhaps it is. I had to change the way I see things because frankly depression and anxiety start to be bad after a while. I worried about so much when I was younger and felt bad for things that I now know I did not need to. I had to change to feel better about myself and who I was and am now. I’m a happier and more go lucky individual today. 🙂
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Because being happy right now is what life is all about! :rolleyes:
 
SilverLight said:
I personally have no problem if someone uses contraception though that is their choice and it is being safe.
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This “being safe” factor is still open for discussion. There is a theory on Risk Compensation that says that the “safer” someone feels, the more likely they are to engage in dangerous endeavors. And by engaging more in dangerous endeavors, there are higher chances they will suffer accidents.

To put it simply: no one in their sane mind would jump from a plane high up in the sky willingly, as the risk is too great. Give them a parachute and some will consider jumping, even though there is a small chance the parachute will fail. As long as the parachute works, some will keep on jumping for the thrills… until it fails.

And it is in this possible “failure” that the Catholic Church (and its faithful) have to be concerned with. Not only are people risking their health with possible STD, they are risking bringing people into this world just to be killed (abortion).

We have to be concerned. Their actions may seem inoffensive from where we stand, but much evil has come from the trivialization of the sexual act.

(also: Hermaeus Mora, really? Please, you can get better wisdom from Sheogorath than from that pompous, giant, slow talking floating eye…)
 
NovusFidem said:
This “being safe” factor is still open for discussion. There is a theory on Risk Compensation that says that the “safer” someone feels, the more likely they are to engage in dangerous endeavors. And by engaging more in dangerous endeavors, there are higher chances they will suffer accidents.

To put it simply: no one in their sane mind would jump from a plane high up in the sky willingly, as the risk is too great. Give them a parachute and some will consider jumping, even though there is a small chance the parachute will fail. As long as the parachute works, some will keep on jumping for the thrills… until it fails.

And it is in this possible “failure” that the Catholic Church (and its faithful) have to be concerned with. Not only are people risking their health with possible STD, they are risking bringing people into this world just to be killed (abortion).

We have to be concerned. Their actions may seem inoffensive from where we stand, but much evil has come from the trivialization of the sexual act.

(also: Hermaeus Mora, really? Please, you can get better wisdom from Sheogorath than from that pompous, giant, slow talking floating eye…)
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The fact you know who Hermaeus Mora is made my day. I also like Sheogorath and he can tell you things in seconds that take Hermaeus hours. Don’t forget Clavicus Vile though.
I am sorry this is off topic but I need some humor in my life right now.

Now to return to the scheduled regular programming… 🙂
 
truetofaith said:
That’s not just Memaw’s view…it is the view of the Catholic Church & all the Christian denominations.
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This is how I see it. That is indeed what the church says yes. The people that are in said churches may have their own views on some subjects though. Is this 100% true? I have no real proof of that however I know some people that are perhaps disappointed in some way with how the church has handled things in recent years. I know I am not the happiest with some of the stuff my self but that is personal and I am not going to talk about it here.🙂
 
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