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1ke
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go talk to your pastor.
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Deltadeliquent
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Ok, I’m grasping at straws,I know. Thanks.
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TheRealJuliane
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Razor
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Let’s look at this from God’s eyes instead of man’s eyes . . .
Your first priority should be to SERIOUSLY attempt to convince your husband to be baptized–whether or not he has a desire to remain married. After all, you love him (even if you don’t like him right now) and would surely not want to see him suffer eternity in hell! As Christians, we would not want that even for our worst enemy.
Then, save your marriage. I mean, make an HONEST attempt at saving your marriage!!! You can not force your husband to do anything but there are many things you can do to help him change his mind–assuming he is the one who wants the divorce. You don’t want to be standing at the gates of heaven and be trying to convince St. Peter that you went to one marriage counseling session but the counselor was horrible so you just let your marriage go.
If you are the one that wants the divorce then you are in grave danger of losing your eternal soul (see CCC 2382-2386). In this case, my advice to you is to read everything you can get your hands on regarding the sanctifying grace of bearing the Cross of Christ with a sacrificial love for God and your husband.
If you are unable to save your marriage, and you believe you may have not contracted a valid marriage in the first place then go ahead and petition for annulment. You will not be able to marry in a Catholic church again unless you have your first “marriage” annulled.
If you are convinced that you have a valid marriage then even a Catholic tribunal does not have the power to nullify your marriage–so a petition for annulment is wasting the tribunal’s time. “What God has joined together, let no man put asunder”. In that case, you must make it clear to your spouse that you are ready to reconcile and will remain ready until the day one of you dies. Obviously, this means you are not allowed to remarry or “date” or become romantically involved. After all, you are still married in the eyes of God.
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TheWarriorMonk
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This is not quite correct. The marriage is natural, not sacramental. Because the marriage is natural, an annulment might not be needed. A valid natural marriage has the potential of being dissolved by the Pope.
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Razor
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Are you speaking of the “Petrine Privilege”? If so, I have heard of it but never attempted to research it. If what you say is true then I stand corrected.
With that said, common sense tells me that if Jesus says “What God has joined, let no man put asunder” then even the Pope does not have the power to “undo” a valid marriage. However, if the Magisterium has officially declared it then who am I to argue?
By chance, do you have a reference to an official doctrine of the church on this?
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LilyM
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But the Pailine and Petrine privileges are for cases where a marriage is natural rather than sacramental, and moreover where one party is not a believer. So not quite a case of ‘God joining’ if you catch my drift.
And the privilege is taken straight from scripture - 1 Corinthians 7:10-15 to be precise.
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Deltadeliquent
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Is marriage would be valid, natural but not sacramental. And one party is not baptised.
My question is really asking if we get a dispensation to make the marriage valid, does this dispensation mean automatically it can’t be annulled later.
Would the PetrinenPrivildge apply even though there is a dispensation involved? Assuming all other contortions of this privlidge were met.
My question is really asking if we get a dispensation to make the marriage valid, does this dispensation mean automatically it can’t be annulled later.
Would the PetrinenPrivildge apply even though there is a dispensation involved? Assuming all other contortions of this privlidge were met.
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1ke
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A dispensation from disparity of cult will be part of your convalidation process once your spouse is found free to marry (your situation is not the same as he original poster on this thread, because your spouse has prior marriages). The dispensation does not itself make a marriage valid.
The convalidation of your marriage brings about a valid marriage. A decree of nullity is a finding of fact that a valid marriage did not occur. So, unless there were some evidence of an impediment or defect of consent at the time of the convalidation, then no the convalidated marriage would not be a candidate for a declaration of nullitty.
Maybe.
You are mixing up a number of things here. I suggest you talk to the vicar general in your diocese to answer your questions. You have very detailed questions that cannot be answered here adequately, plus this thread is on an entirely different situation from yours.
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Deltadeliquent
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You are right! I thought I had started this thread…
Your second paragraph answered my question, though. Thanks.
Your second paragraph answered my question, though. Thanks.
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