If some Protestants profess that all they need is the Bible, then....

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Then what in the blue blazes do you EVEN bring it up Manny? What purpose?
Actually Brian, I have known of many people who tell me that they don’t need to go to church. They just need the bible and their own emotions.

Of course I don’t think this is an indication of Protestant shallowness but instead a tendency in our culture to use emotion and not reason as a basis for morality. So, if you feel something is good then it must be.
 
I have often wondered why they observe such traditions. The SDAs are the Protestant Protestants, considering they protest the observance of such traditions. I guess this means some Christian Communities have some truth. That will only aid them in coming home! 👍

In Pax Christi
Andrew

The SDAs are more Christian in their theology than most cults, but they are still a cult, because they have a “left-hand Bible” which trumps the Bible - in their case, the prophecies of Mrs. White. That alone is enough to make them different from Protestants.​

Particularly objectionable is the doctrine of the investigative judgement :mad: - it implies that Christ does not know His own, despite His direct words to the contrary. In addition, the SDAs are mortalists, like the JWs - they believe the soul expires at death. (John Calvin did a good job of blowing mortalism to pieces in a treatise he wrote called “Psychopannychia”)

Catholics are being dangerously naive if they think that SDAs are more like us than Protestants are, merely because the SDAs don’t acknowledge the Bible as the supreme & final judge of controversies under God 😦 😦 😦 SDAs have little time for us either - they give the same status to keeping the Sabbath that the Church gave to EENS: fail to keep the Saturday & go to Hell (Mrs White had a vision of the Commandments in February 1846 in which the Sabbath-Commandment was surrounded with a halo of light)
 
If some Protestants profess that all they need is the Bible…
Just the Bible??? You shore about that?? You don’t think they need a preacher/minister to go with it, or a study guide of some sort? :hmmm:
 
I would not know where to even start…Lord have mercy. Just go check out any book on Christian denominations and leave the generalizations out of this…:rolleyes:
I agree, Brian - generalizations are wrong.

Subrosa
 
Because the Bible teaches people about the church.
The Bible teaches the church offices like bishop, deacon, and elder.
The Bible describes conduct one should have in a worship service.
The Bible contains Paul’s greetings to the other churches.
The Bible speaks a great deal about the church.
I do not know who you have talked to and exactly what they have said so it is hard to answer your questions.
And Pope.
 
If some Protestants profess that all they need is the Bible, then why even go to a church? This isn’t meant to be a demeaning question. I’m just curious if there is a reasonable, logical answer. When I was a Protestant myself, I often wondered why it was expected of me to attend a church. Yet I was told that all I needed was the Bible and the Holy Spirit can help me interpret it.

I’m hoping to receive logical answers from Protestants, and former Protestants are more than welcome to add their own imput. Thanks.

In Pax Christi
Andrew
Our Belgic Confession(Reformed Confession which is based exclusively on the Bible) states why we are dutybound to attend Church

""Article 28: That every one is bound to join himself to the true Church.
We believe, since this holy congregation is an assembly of those who are saved, and that out of it there is no salvation, that no person of whatsoever state or condition he may be, ought to withdraw himself, to live in a separate state from it; but that all men are in duty bound to join and unite themselves with it; maintaining the unity of the Church; submitting themselves to the doctrine and discipline thereof; bowing their necks under the yoke of Jesus Christ; and as mutual members of the same body, serving to the edification of the brethren, according to the talents God has given them. And that this may be the more effectually observed, it is the duty of all believers, according to the word of God, to separate themselves from all those who do not belong to the Church, and to join themselves to this congregation, wheresoever God hath established it, even though the magistrates and edicts of princes were against it, yea, though they should suffer death or any other corporal punishment. Therefore all those, who separate themselves from the same, or do not join themselves to it, act contrary to the ordinance of God.

Article 29: Of the marks of the true Church, and wherein she differs from the false Church.
We believe, that we ought diligently and circumspectly to discern from the Word of God which is the true Church, since all sects which are in the world assume to themselves the name of the Church. But we speak not here of hypocrites, who are mixed in the Church with the good, yet are not of the Church, though externally in it; but we say that the body and communion of the true Church must be distinguished from all sects, who call themselves the Church. The marks, by which the true Church is known, are these: if the pure doctrine of the gospel is preached therein; if she maintains the pure administration of the sacraments as instituted by Christ; if church discipline is exercised in punishing of sin: in short, if all things are managed according to the pure Word of God, all things contrary thereto rejected, and Jesus Christ acknowledged as the only Head of the Church. Hereby the true Church may certainly be known, from which no man has a right to separate himself. With respect to those, who are members of the Church, they may be known by the marks of Christians: namely, by faith; and when they have received Jesus Christ the only Savior, they avoid sin, follow after righteousness, love the true God and their neighbor, neither turn aside to the right or left, and crucify the flesh with the works thereof. But this is not to be understood, as if there did not remain in them great infirmities; but they fight against them through the Spirit, all the days of their life, continually taking their refuge in the blood, death, passion and obedience of our Lord Jesus Christ, “in whom they have remission of sins, through faith in him.” As for the false Church, she ascribes more power and authority to herself and her ordinances than to the Word of God, and will not submit herself to the yoke of Christ. Neither does she administer the sacraments as appointed by Christ in his Word, but adds to and takes from them, as she thinks proper; she relieth more upon men than upon Christ; and persecutes those, who live holily according to the Word of God, and rebuke her for her errors, covetousness, and idolatry. These two Churches are easily known and distinguished from each other. “”
 
Our Belgic Confession(Reformed Confession which is based exclusively on the Bible) states why we are dutybound to attend Church
""Article 28: That every one is bound to join himself to the true Church.
How do you determine “by faith”?

Why do you ignore Scripture about “works” being an integral part of one’s salvation?

Do you pick and choose which Scriptural passages apply to your “true Church”? And why?
 
How do you determine “by faith”?

Why do you ignore Scripture about “works” being an integral part of one’s salvation?

Do you pick and choose which Scriptural passages apply to your “true Church”? And why?
We believe(and the Word bears us witness) acceptable ‘works’ are the fruit of true faith, they can not save you.

The Confessions of the Reformed Church are a good reflection of the Spirit of the Word, I say this as a Baptized Roman Catholic who later read the scriptures in their enterity(several times) and found the calling of the Lord. The sheep know the voice of their shepherd.

As for Bible Versions, the Received Text(textus Receptus) is a well preserved reflection of the Word of God. I feel the KJV is the best translation into English, but have agreed on another thread that the Revised Doauy Rheims can be beneficial too(as its revision borrowed heavily from the KJV)
 
We believe(and the Word bears us witness) acceptable ‘works’ are the fruit of true faith, they can not save you.

The Confessions of the Reformed Church are a good reflection of the Spirit of the Word, I say this as a Baptized Roman Catholic who later read the scriptures in their enterity(several times) and found the calling of the Lord. The sheep know the voice of their shepherd.

As for Bible Versions, the Received Text(textus Receptus) is a well preserved reflection of the Word of God. I feel the KJV is the best translation into English, but have agreed on another thread that the Revised Doauy Rheims can be beneficial too(as its revision borrowed heavily from the KJV)
How about if someone has faith and no works? Is that enough to be saved?

Sub
 
How about if someone has faith and no works? Is that enough to be saved?

Sub
The Heidelberg CatechismXXIV. LORD’S DAY.

Question 62. But why cannot our good works be the whole, or part of our righteousness before God?
Answer. Because, that the righteousness, which can be approved of before the tribunal of God, must be absolutely perfect, and in all respects [a] conformable to the divine law; and also, that our best works in this life are all imperfect and ** defiled with sin.

Question 63. What! do not our good works merit, which yet God will reward in this and in a future life?
Answer. This reward is not of merit, but of grace. [c]

Question 64. But doth not this doctrine make men careless and profane?
Answer. By no means: for it is impossible that those, who are implanted into Christ by a true faith, should not bring forth fruits of [d] thankfulness.
[a]: Gal. 3:10; Deut. 17:26
**: Isa. 64:6
[c]: Luke 17:10
[d]: Mat. 7:17,18; John 15:5

The following might be helpful to undetsand the aforementioned
prca.org/hc_index.html****
 
The Heidelberg CatechismXXIV. LORD’S DAY.

Question 62. But why cannot our good works be the whole, or part of our righteousness before God?
Answer. Because, that the righteousness, which can be approved of before the tribunal of God, must be absolutely perfect, and in all respects [a] conformable to the divine law; and also, that our best works in this life are all imperfect and ** defiled with sin.

Question 63. What! do not our good works merit, which yet God will reward in this and in a future life?
Answer. This reward is not of merit, but of grace. [c]

Question 64. But doth not this doctrine make men careless and profane?
Answer. By no means: for it is impossible that those, who are implanted into Christ by a true faith, should not bring forth fruits of [d] thankfulness.
[a]: Gal. 3:10; Deut. 17:26
**: Isa. 64:6
[c]: Luke 17:10
[d]: Mat. 7:17,18; John 15:5

The following might be helpful to undetsand the aforementioned
prca.org/hc_index.html****
Maybe you could simplify this? Make it in your own words? I’m just not seeing a “yes” or “no”.

It looks like it is both. I beg you, please clarify it for me.

Sub
 
Because the Bible teaches people about the church.
The Bible teaches the church offices like bishop, deacon, and elder.
The Bible describes conduct one should have in a worship service.
The Bible contains Paul’s greetings to the other churches.
The Bible speaks a great deal about the church.
I do not know who you have talked to and exactly what they have said so it is hard to answer your questions.
But the Church isn’t a building, it’s a Body… so why bother going to a physical man-made structure every Sunday (why Sunday)? Protestants believe in an invisible church… therefore, why go to a church with a physical structure, bishops, deacons and priests (which some protestants profess to be of the same level)…
 
Subrosa

""for it is impossible that those, who are implanted into Christ by a true faith, should not bring forth fruits “”

Its clear, its your assumptions that are vague. You are mixing up Justification and Sanctification. We are justified by faith and faith alone, good works are part of sanctification . You are asking if an Apple Tree can produce thistles, if water can not be wet or the Sun not to be hot.

See…We become new creatures in Christ

We are Justified, thus we produce Works
like an Apple Tree will produce Apples(every seed after its kind)

But for justification alone, the Apostle says
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 
The Heidelberg CatechismXXIV. LORD’S DAY.

Question 62. But why cannot our good works be the whole, or part of our righteousness before God?
Answer. Because, that the righteousness, which can be approved of before the tribunal of God, must be absolutely perfect, and in all respects [a] conformable to the divine law; and also, that our best works in this life are all imperfect and ** defiled with sin.

Question 63. What! do not our good works merit, which yet God will reward in this and in a future life?
Answer. This reward is not of merit, but of grace. [c]

Question 64. But doth not this doctrine make men careless and profane?
Answer. By no means: for it is impossible that those, who are implanted into Christ by a true faith, should not bring forth fruits of [d] thankfulness.
[a]: Gal. 3:10; Deut. 17:26
**: Isa. 64:6
[c]: Luke 17:10
[d]: Mat. 7:17,18; John 15:5

The following might be helpful to undetsand the aforementioned
prca.org/hc_index.html****

But catechisms shouldn’t be necessary with Sola Scriptura as they are traditions of men. You should be able to show me from the Bible itself without any interpretations and I should be able to “get it” (the Holy Spirit will lead me to this conclusion if your interpretation is correct).
 
But catechisms shouldn’t be necessary with Sola Scriptura as they are traditions of men. You should be able to show me from the Bible itself without any interpretations and I should be able to “get it” (the Holy Spirit will lead me to this conclusion if your interpretation is correct).
Try looking at the footnoted Scripture proof texts.
 
OK SF , start at Genesis and read thru Revelation and with Grace you will find the answer (remember there are 5 solas)
I have, and have found the Catholic Church to be the One True Church. 👍
 
I have, and have found the Catholic Church to be the One True Church. 👍
See, you have the Scriptures and still see a need for the gathering of God’s People too! Maybe you can show(from Scripture) this to the original poster(Harpoza) from the RCC pt of view
 
See, you have the Scriptures and still see a need for the gathering of God’s People too! Maybe you can show(from Scripture) this to the original poster(Harpoza) from the RCC pt of view
Of course I do. I was being rhetorical. I was just wondering how you could come to the conclusion of all these “traditions of man” (which are really inspired Sacred Traditions with some disciplines thrown in) and keep using them without the Catholic Church and her Early Church Fathers.
 
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